new helmet

CraigH

just trashed my Giro Atmos...so need to replace it..i am considering a change. any ideas?

Nuggs

I'm loving the look of the Catlike Whisper - it's on my shopping list!

alfablue

Consider Specialized - they are the only generally available helmet in the UK that conforms to the far superior Snell standard, which includes tests to twice the impact force of the usual EN standard, and includes random testing of products in the shops rather than manufacturer supplied test items. Snell approved Specialized helmets here.

Having said that, I just got a Giro Ionos for Xmas, wouldn't have been my choice because of the above, but that said it is extremely comfortable and well vented.

mike boyce

Hi Craig
I totally agree with Nuggs I brought a catlike whisper helmet from www.prenda.co.uk and it is the best helmet I have ever owned and the guys at prendas are some of the most helpful you will ever come across, (order today and you will recieve it tomorrow).
I would suggest you phone them and speak to Mick and let him know your budget and he will help.
Nuggs I live in Fernhurst near Haslemere if your intrested in joining us for a ride some time give me a email and I will make contact.

robbarker

alfablue wrote:

Consider Specialized - they are the only generally available helmet in the UK that conforms to the far superior Snell standard, which includes tests to twice the impact force of the usual EN standard, and includes random testing of products in the shops rather than manufacturer supplied test items. Snell approved Specialized helmets here.

Fantastically useful link - many thanks. I've been googling for ages to find a list of SNELL approved helmmets.

My next one will be a Spesh S-Works.

drenkrom

If you have a Giro head, you probably don't have a Specialized head. Adjustable retention systems have alleviated this a lot, but the helmets are still made on two very different head shapes. I can't wear Giro at all, as they are based on a round head-shape (when seen from above). Specialized are more of an oval, which fits my head perfectly.

If you have a Giro head, the best bets are probably Bell, LAS and Catlike, in my experience. LAS lids look very ventilated but are really not. Bell make very nice helmets. They're not as widely available in Europe as they are over here, but they are fantastic. Catlike helmets are my favorites. They look special and are super-ventilated and very light. I used to have a Kompakt2 and just loved it.

reverendmark

alfablue wrote:

Consider Specialized - they are the only generally available helmet in the UK that conforms to the far superior Snell standard, which includes tests to twice the impact force of the usual EN standard, and includes random testing of products in the shops rather than manufacturer supplied test items. Snell approved Specialized helmets here.

I wouldn't guarantee this is the case. When the 2D was recalled in the US, there was no need for the UK marketed model to be called in as it was manufactured in a different location to (I believe) a different specification.

aracer

alfablue wrote:

Consider Specialized - they are the only generally available helmet in the UK that conforms to the far superior Snell standard, which includes tests to twice the impact force of the usual EN standard, and includes random testing of products in the shops rather than manufacturer supplied test items. Snell approved Specialized helmets here.

Ah, but recent info about the US 2D recall suggests that Specialized European helmets are different to the US ones which pass Snell.

Nuggs

mike boyce wrote:

Hi Craig
Nuggs I live in Fernhurst near Haslemere if your intrested in joining us for a ride some time give me a email and I will make contact.

Thanks mate - I know Fernhurst well (because of the TVR garage :twisted: ).

I'm actually recovering after a back op and will only be able to start cycling in March at the earliest. Once I have a clue about what I'm doing and my fitness levels are anywhere half-decent, I may well take you up on your offer

Thanks again!

alfablue

aracer wrote:

alfablue wrote:

Consider Specialized - they are the only generally available helmet in the UK that conforms to the far superior Snell standard, which includes tests to twice the impact force of the usual EN standard, and includes random testing of products in the shops rather than manufacturer supplied test items. Snell approved Specialized helmets here.

Ah, but recent info about the US 2D recall suggests that Specialized European helmets are different to the US ones which pass Snell.

The recall affected a batch of 3000 helmets manufactured in China. It is not clear that they were intended as being manufactured differently from other helmets available in all markets, I think it was merely a manufacturing fault on one batch.

I just received a reply to an enquiry I made to Spesh UK customer services this morning (what a fantastic response time!!!), they said:

Specialized helmets are first tested in house, then they are sent to be against the highest standards in each territory in which they are available.

All Specialized helmets available in the UK pass the relevant Snell and CE standards.

SDP

we were lucky to be offered 2 helmet deals for 08 ...

i chose for the team CATLIKE

qualilty is excellent ...we are having KOMPACT PRO ( & the new aero chrono )

catlikes website is good & shows all the colours

we had RUDY PROJECT previously & had loads of warranty problemns with them ( adjusters failing & strap problems etc)

wildmoustache

i have a 2D, and a decibel, and a Giro. 2D is nice. very well ventiliated ... bit cold in current weather to be honest.

Does anyone know what has really gone on with the recall. My understanding is that the fastener failed a US test and is being redesigned ... but that test is not applied in the European market. A new helmet is being designed to replace the 2D in the US, which were slightly different to the Euro ones in the first place :roll:

alfablue

wildmoustache wrote:

i have a 2D, and a decibel, and a Giro. 2D is nice. very well ventiliated ... bit cold in current weather to be honest.

Does anyone know what has really gone on with the recall. My understanding is that the fastener failed a US test and is being redesigned ... but that test is not applied in the European market. A new helmet is being designed to replace the 2D in the US, which were slightly different to the Euro ones in the first place :roll:

Yes, I think it was the buckle, but only on a batch of 3000. What I can't establish is whether the 3000 represents all of the helmets manufactured for the US market during the specified period (July to October 2007), or just a batch of them. The recall doesn't apply to the uk I believe, not because the tests are different (they are, but the helmets still comply with Snell), but the components were not of the same batch, though I cannot quite get to the bottom of this.

(I honestly don't think Specialized would only recall those in territories where tests were more stringent - it would be a field day for the lawyers if there was a failure with the same helmet in another territory).

I am reassured however, that Specialized have told me (see above) that their UK helmets comply with Snell, which is a higher standard than US or EU standards. Nevertheless, a "batch" problem could apply to any helmet manufacturer, regardless of the initial standards they meet. It is also reassuring that the problem was picked up by the US Consumer Products Safety Commission, so they are doing their job.

wildmoustache

alfablue wrote:

wildmoustache wrote:

i have a 2D, and a decibel, and a Giro. 2D is nice. very well ventiliated ... bit cold in current weather to be honest.

Does anyone know what has really gone on with the recall. My understanding is that the fastener failed a US test and is being redesigned ... but that test is not applied in the European market. A new helmet is being designed to replace the 2D in the US, which were slightly different to the Euro ones in the first place :roll:

Yes, I think it was the buckle, but only on a batch of 3000. What I can't establish is whether the 3000 represents all of the helmets manufactured for the US market during the specified period (July to October 2007), or just a batch of them. The recall doesn't apply to the uk I believe, not because the tests are different (they are, but the helmets still comply with Snell), but the components were not of the same batch, though I cannot quite get to the bottom of this.

(I honestly don't think Specialized would only recall those in territories where tests were more stringent - it would be a field day for the lawyers if there was a failure with the same helmet in another territory).

I am reassured however, that Specialized have told me (see above) that their UK helmets comply with Snell, which is a higher standard than US or EU standards. Nevertheless, a "batch" problem could apply to any helmet manufacturer, regardless of the initial standards they meet. It is also reassuring that the problem was picked up by the US Consumer Products Safety Commission, so they are doing their job.

the odd thing is that it appears the 2D is being dropped in the US and replaced with a different helmet ... is this Specialized wanting to minimise bad publicity or is the buckle issue a potential weakness on all 2Ds???

alfablue

wildmoustache wrote:

alfablue wrote:

wildmoustache wrote:

i have a 2D, and a decibel, and a Giro. 2D is nice. very well ventiliated ... bit cold in current weather to be honest.

Does anyone know what has really gone on with the recall. My understanding is that the fastener failed a US test and is being redesigned ... but that test is not applied in the European market. A new helmet is being designed to replace the 2D in the US, which were slightly different to the Euro ones in the first place :roll:

Yes, I think it was the buckle, but only on a batch of 3000. What I can't establish is whether the 3000 represents all of the helmets manufactured for the US market during the specified period (July to October 2007), or just a batch of them. The recall doesn't apply to the uk I believe, not because the tests are different (they are, but the helmets still comply with Snell), but the components were not of the same batch, though I cannot quite get to the bottom of this.

(I honestly don't think Specialized would only recall those in territories where tests were more stringent - it would be a field day for the lawyers if there was a failure with the same helmet in another territory).

I am reassured however, that Specialized have told me (see above) that their UK helmets comply with Snell, which is a higher standard than US or EU standards. Nevertheless, a "batch" problem could apply to any helmet manufacturer, regardless of the initial standards they meet. It is also reassuring that the problem was picked up by the US Consumer Products Safety Commission, so they are doing their job.

the odd thing is that it appears the 2D is being dropped in the US and replaced with a different helmet ... is this Specialized wanting to minimise bad publicity or is the buckle issue a potential weakness on all 2Ds???

This is the big question - you could ask Spesh customer services - I don't think I can pester them any more today, myself

I can only guess that they want to drop the 2D tag to avoid negatve associations in the future, but that is just a guess! Alternatively, it may have already been superceded in their model line-up.