What Legal Suppliments Can I take?

El Capitano

I'm Male, 44 and like to ride hard and fast. However, I wish to be able to race for longer, harder and faster.

Suggestions please?

El Capitano

Well obviously I'm beyond redemption...

Mog Uk

"Ride your bike, ride your bike, ride your bike" - Fausto Coppi

El Capitano

I do. Almost every day.

dennisn

El Capitano wrote:

I'm Male, 44 and like to ride hard and fast. However, I wish to be able to race for longer, harder and faster.

Suggestions please?

Sounds like you think you can buy longer, harder, faster. Yes you can - steroids.
Go for it.

Dennis Noward

El Capitano

Not really. I justed wanted to see if there was vitiman type suppliments, I could be taking (for example Creatine) that would improve my cycling performance or more importantly, my recovery speed. I'm not looking for anything illegal or that will be detrimental to my long term health.

John Stevenson

Improved recovery? Chocolate milk.

vermooten

caffeine!

Even the nutjobs on cuttingedgemuscle.com agree with that one.

phil s

Potassium Phosphate is said to help though you build a tolerance to it -

http://www.allsports-int.co.uk/allsportsinternational4/allsports.cgi

Personally I don't want to take this stuff as I've suffered from kidney stones in the past so it's maybe asking for trouble. I've done a couple of crits with Pro Plus and that's been ok, but hard to sleep afterwards obviously

Dr_Death

TBH if you are getting a decent, well balanced, healthy diet then you probably don't need anything in the way of aupplements. There is little to no evidence that any of them make that much difference. Your average well balanced, healthy diet contains enough vitamins and minerals for your average person; if you are burning off more calories etc from riding a lot then an increase in that healthy, well balanced diet to compensate will also contain an increase in the amount of vitamins and minerals etc as well. Thus meaning that little to no supplementation is required (IMHO).

During a ride/race you need to replace fluid and electrolytes as dehydration can seriously fuck you over. I like the SIS sports drinks (coz they have actually bothered to do, and publish, some decent research and it tastes good); but most of the others are much the same. Caffeine has been shown to improve performance during a race but you can build up a tolerance and if (like me) you drink more than three or four cups of coffee a day then it has little impact.

Hope this helps.....

Ric_Stern/RST

phil s wrote:

Potassium Phosphate is said to help though you build a tolerance to it -

http://www.allsports-int.co.uk/allsportsinternational4/allsports.cgi

Personally I don't want to take this stuff as I've suffered from kidney stones in the past so it's maybe asking for trouble. I've done a couple of crits with Pro Plus and that's been ok, but hard to sleep afterwards obviously

There is no evidence to support the use of *potassium* phosphate.

Ric

Ric_Stern/RST

Dr_Death wrote:

TBH if you are getting a decent, well balanced, healthy diet then you probably don't need anything in the way of aupplements. There is little to no evidence that any of them make that much difference. Your average well balanced, healthy diet contains enough vitamins and minerals for your average person; if you are burning off more calories etc from riding a lot then an increase in that healthy, well balanced diet to compensate will also contain an increase in the amount of vitamins and minerals etc as well. Thus meaning that little to no supplementation is required (IMHO).

During a ride/race you need to replace fluid and electrolytes as dehydration can seriously fark you over. I like the SIS sports drinks (coz they have actually bothered to do, and publish, some decent research and it tastes good); but most of the others are much the same. Caffeine has been shown to improve performance during a race but you can build up a tolerance and if (like me) you drink more than three or four cups of coffee a day then it has little impact.

Hope this helps.....

Although, i agree in general with what you've written, there are data available to show that some substances are ergogenic e.g., electrolytes, carbs, and caffeine as you've mentioned and other substances such as sodium bicarbonate and sodium phosphate.

Ric

Eurostar

So was my purchase of MMUSA Endurus Serum Male Endurance Formula at the Earls Court show wasted? What a pity. The Italian women selling it were so glamorously persuasive :oops:

Allegedly 'this powerful amino acid, herb and nutrient formulation increases ATP production and delays lactic acid build-up increasing energy and stamina on-demand - without the added calories.'

Its got creatine and stuff in it.

Ric_Stern/RST

Eurostar wrote:

So was my purchase of MMUSA Endurus Serum Male Endurance Formula at the Earls Court show wasted? What a pity. The Italian women selling it were so glamorously persuasive :oops:

Allegedly 'this powerful amino acid, herb and nutrient formulation increases ATP production and delays lactic acid build-up increasing energy and stamina on-demand - without the added calories.'

Its got creatine and stuff in it.

sounds like a placebo to me, other than the creatine, which may help with repeated sprint efforts.

Anyway, lactate (it's not lactic acid, as it dissociates to lactate) is a required fuel, without which we fatigue at a *faster* rate.

ric

cee

Ric_Stern/RST wrote:

there are data available to show
Ric

hooray for the proper plural use of data. My favourite is 'these data'!

dennisn

Here in the states we, like you, are constantly bombarded with ad's, reviews, articles,
and claims for literally hundreds if not thousands of the "next" new and improved,
greatest supplements in the world. You can't keep up or win without them, or so
they say.
Way back in the old days "Doctors" used to travel around in horse drawn carriages
selling all forms of cure alls, elixir's, and even energy drinks. Almost all of it was
useless and didn't do anything except maybe get you drunk or stoned.
Is it possible that today these people are still around? Now selling "what you need
to stay competetive"?
My advice. Learn to eat real food and you will do a whole lot better than trying to
survive on energy bars and drinks.

Dennis Noward

OffTheBackAdam

dennisn wrote:

s it possible that today these people are still around? Now selling "what you need to stay competetive"?
Dennis Noward

They've never left! They just move with the times and leap onto whatever bandwaggon is passing and continue to part mugs from their money!
Ginseng, anything else that is or sounds vaguely Oriental (It may shag your liver and has never been formally tsted, but hey, it's natural!), homeopathic, "natural", "herbal", " as seen on TV", being plugged by some has-been or any ex-Page 3 bird that they've shagged recently.
Me, cynical?