Advice needed on taking off a campag chain

kant314
kant314 Posts: 79
edited November 2007 in Workshop
Hi,

I've got a Campag Veloce chain that I need to take off the bike.
Do I need the special camp tool, which is ridiculously expensive, or can I use my bog standard chain tool?
Also, is it hard to re fit? What do I need to know?


thanks
Kant
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  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    is it worn at all ?
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    A regular chain tool is fine to split a chain - best to use a replaceable quick link like the KMC one in the future and never have to worry about a chain tool - makes getting it off for a dunk in cleaner a lot easier.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • kant314
    kant314 Posts: 79
    So you can just split the chain with an ordinary chain tool and use a KMC quick link to re-join it?
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  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    sounds like it, though i was going to suggest getting the chain off and replacing it with a SRAM chain that doesn't need a tool to rejoin (unless you need it shortening, then any chain tool will do as it's not critical if you damage the links you take off, you'll see what i mean if you go down this route).
  • kant314
    kant314 Posts: 79
    I don't want to replace the chain, only take it off.
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  • kant314
    kant314 Posts: 79
    Presumably this would do the job: ?
    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... delID=5159
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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    The KMC and Connex chain link is replaceable whereas SRAM only recommend single-use for their 10-speed ones. KMC/Connex are also slightly less fiddly to split. I find it bizzare that Shamino and Campag insist on their proprietary chain joining methods when most after-market chains use far more user-friendly methods.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • kant314
    kant314 Posts: 79
    thanks Monty :)
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  • aarw
    aarw Posts: 448
    monty is spot on.
  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    Monty Dog wrote:
    The KMC and Connex chain link is replaceable whereas SRAM only recommend single-use for their 10-speed ones. KMC/Connex are also slightly less fiddly to split. I find it bizzare that Shamino and Campag insist on their proprietary chain joining methods when most after-market chains use far more user-friendly methods.

    Monty, you'll have to educate me, what do you mean please ?

    thanks,
  • acorn_user
    acorn_user Posts: 1,137
    The sram quick link should only be used to join the chain once. After that, you should throw it away. Given that, there is no reason to use them when Wipperman (Connex), KMC and Superlink products can be used.

    AFAIK, you only need the Campag tool if you are using the Campag joining pins, because they are small or something. If you are using a Connex link (you should be ;), I would not worry.
  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    cheers acorn_user, i've joined my sram once, undone it and then joined it again, doesn't seem to have had an adverse affect on it, you don't have to sprain it/force it or anything, i've certainly no quarms about repeated use, just seems a rather good chain alround (PC951, 9 speed).
  • gundersen
    gundersen Posts: 586
    What they mean is " 1 chain lifetime"
    That means it should not be transfered to a new chain
  • gundersen
    gundersen Posts: 586
    What they mean is " 1 chain lifetime"
    That means it should not be transfered to a new chain
  • gundersen
    gundersen Posts: 586
    I do that a lot ????
  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    gundersen wrote:
    What they mean is " 1 chain lifetime"
    That means it should not be transfered to a new chain

    Thanks for clarification, that makes sense.
  • acorn_user
    acorn_user Posts: 1,137
    @gundersen
    Good to know. I've always used Sachs/Sram chains in the past.
  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    gundersen wrote:
    What they mean is " 1 chain lifetime"
    That means it should not be transfered to a new chain
    No, as Monty Dog said, they mean only join once, don't then take it apart. This is as distinct to their 8 and 9 speed links which are re-useable (hence why it works fine for PHILOFCAS), but should also be binned with the chain they are used on, since they will be worn.

    I'll repeat in case anybody has misunderstood - you can re-use SRAM 8 and 9 speed links. You can't reuse SRAM 10 speed links (even on the same chain).
  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    aracer wrote:
    gundersen wrote:
    What they mean is " 1 chain lifetime"
    That means it should not be transfered to a new chain
    No, as Monty Dog said, they mean only join once, don't then take it apart. This is as distinct to their 8 and 9 speed links which are re-useable (hence why it works fine for PHILOFCAS), but should also be binned with the chain they are used on, since they will be worn.

    I'll repeat in case anybody has misunderstood - you can re-use SRAM 8 and 9 speed links. You can't reuse SRAM 10 speed links (even on the same chain).

    thanks for clarification of the clarification :lol:

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