Shimano / Compag

willbevan

hi all,

Can anyone point me towards somewhere that compares shimano on compag chain sets?

main reason is im trying to work out whats equivelet performance (if thats right) to example the shimano 105 chain sets (i have a veloce front mech and wonder where it sits in world of chain sets)

sorry i bet this has come up before, but the only search function i can find, brings up products not forum posts :S

Thanks

Will

redddraggon

veloce is mid range campag, 105 is mid range shimano

campag gruppos in increasing price order:
xenon
mirage
veloce
centaur
chorus
record

same with Shimano:
Sora
Tiagra
105
Ultegra
Dura Ace

willbevan

thanks!

See there are 6 compag and 5 shimano.,..... is there a lower on on campag that isnt in shimano or is there no real collation with the exception of the fact as they get more expensive they are better?

redddraggon

All Campagnolo groupsets are 10speed, but shimano Sora is 8spd and Tiagra 9spd - the others are 10spd.

They are both different from each other, but Campagnolo is more presitgious to have on your road bike, whether or not is better or not depends whether it suits you or not.

willbevan

thanks for the info!

Do compag mechs work with shimano shifters? did read something about actuation, 1:1?

Thanks

Will

magliaceleste

I wouldn't go there. Stick to one or the other, otherwise you'll probably never quite be happy even if you could get it to work. Anyway. the Campag shifters are one of the best Campag parts!

The only thing that I *know* works perfectly is a Campag UT crankset on a 10 speed Shimano set-up.

There is some info on mixing groupsets on the web somewhere (known as Shimergo) if you really want to go that way...

Down the Road

willbevan wrote:

thanks!

See there are 6 compag and 5 shimano.,..... is there a lower on on campag that isnt in shimano or is there no real collation with the exception of the fact as they get more expensive they are better?

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

heavymental

Down the Road wrote:

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

haha. Nice one. Oh, you're not serious...are you?!

Anonymous

Heavymental wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

haha. Nice one. Oh, you're not serious...are you?!

Yeah,that's why all the Pros on Campag use Chorus.

wildmoustache

whitley wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

haha. Nice one. Oh, you're not serious...are you?!

Yeah,that's why all the Pros on Campag use Chorus.

Chorus is actually very nearly equivalent to DA in weight and price terms (and much closer than Record). Chorus is not functionally different from Record, the only difference is weight.

Record and SRAM Red are in a league of their own in weight and price terms. Of course, some will say DA is better functionally /they prefer it or whatever, but that's the Shimano vs. Campag vs. SRAM debate, rather than a groupset equivalence issue.

To the above list there is also Ultegra SL.

Anonymous

wildmoustache wrote:

whitley wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

haha. Nice one. Oh, you're not serious...are you?!

Yeah,that's why all the Pros on Campag use Chorus.

Chorus is actually very nearly equivalent to DA in weight and price terms (and much closer than Record). Chorus is not functionally different from Record, the only difference is weight.
Record and SRAM Red are in a league of their own in weight and price terms. Of course, some will say DA is better functionally /they prefer it or whatever, but that's the Shimano vs. Campag vs. SRAM debate, rather than a groupset equivalence issue.

To the above list there is also Ultegra SL.

So why don't the pros use Chorus ?

wildmoustache

whitley wrote:

wildmoustache wrote:

whitley wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

haha. Nice one. Oh, you're not serious...are you?!

Yeah,that's why all the Pros on Campag use Chorus.

Chorus is actually very nearly equivalent to DA in weight and price terms (and much closer than Record). Chorus is not functionally different from Record, the only difference is weight.
Record and SRAM Red are in a league of their own in weight and price terms. Of course, some will say DA is better functionally /they prefer it or whatever, but that's the Shimano vs. Campag vs. SRAM debate, rather than a groupset equivalence issue.

To the above list there is also Ultegra SL.

So why don't the pros use Chorus ?

Some do. But not the big guns whom Campag will shower with record parts all season. The smaller teams get less, and some will be using Chorus.

Record is better because it's lighter - simple as that.

If a bike was super light and had to hit 6.8 to be UCI legal , then using some chorus would actually be a very sensible way to reach the weight limite.

Shimano groupsets are functionally different all the way down, though the difference between 105 and Ultegra is I believe VERY small.

I'm not bashing Shimano here ... I have groupsets from both and like them both

JWSurrey

I'm led to believe that 105 and Veloce are roughly equivalent.
I have both.
Each have their advantages - which is why I have both!

Regarding weights, I gather the bikes are now weighed at the end of competition too, similar to F1 - I did hear a rumour this was something to do with the potential to fill a frame with ice cubes for the pre-race weigh-in![/i]

andrew_s

willbevan wrote:

thanks for the info!

Do compag mechs work with shimano shifters? did read something about actuation, 1:1?

Thanks

Will

No, unless you fit a Jtek shiftmate at the rear mech to adjust the cable travel.

Campag 10 shifters work with shimano 8 mech and cassette, and 9 with a bit of fiddling with the cable clamp. You can also use the shiftmate the other way round for 10.

The 1:1 actuation bit is SRAM, and not compatible with either Shimano or Campag, with no possibilty of fiddling (may be MTB kit only though, I'm not sure).

andyp

whitley wrote:

So why don't the pros use Chorus ?

That is such a fallacious argument, they don't use Chorus because they are paid to use Record.

Most pros will use whatever they get given and only complain if it doesn't work.

DavidBelcher

wildmoustache wrote:

whitley wrote:

wildmoustache wrote:

whitley wrote:

Heavymental wrote:

Down the Road wrote:

Chorus is equal to Dura Ace.

Anything other than record (including Dura Ace) is a compromise

haha. Nice one. Oh, you're not serious...are you?!

Yeah,that's why all the Pros on Campag use Chorus.

Chorus is actually very nearly equivalent to DA in weight and price terms (and much closer than Record). Chorus is not functionally different from Record, the only difference is weight.
Record and SRAM Red are in a league of their own in weight and price terms. Of course, some will say DA is better functionally /they prefer it or whatever, but that's the Shimano vs. Campag vs. SRAM debate, rather than a groupset equivalence issue.

To the above list there is also Ultegra SL.

So why don't the pros use Chorus ?

Some do. But not the big guns whom Campag will shower with record parts all season. The smaller teams get less, and some will be using Chorus

When I went to see the Tour of Britain finish in Bradford last month, a look at the bikes on the departing team cars after the race suggested that Chocolade Jacques seemed to be on Chorus groups, and the older version with square-taper BBs & chainsets to boot.

David

acorn_user

All this Chorus/DA debate doesn't really help the OP much, although I'm sure it's fun.

Shimano does have an extra group on the bottom end called 2200. Expect to see this on more bikes since Sora has gone to 9 speeds this year.

Veloce is a very good group. It's probably the club racers choice. I have Centuar on my bike, but only because I got a very good deal on it. Otherwise, I was going to buy Mirage, which is also great. 2007 Mirage especially so, since it has alloy levers again....

wildmoustache

acorn_user wrote:

All this Chorus/DA debate doesn't really help the OP much, although

Veloce is a very good group. It's probably the club racers choice. Iquote]

not sure where you race acorn_user but it sounds more salt of the earth than here in the south-east of england where record, chorus, DA, and force are the club racers' choice :x :shock:

dennisn

For me, these days, a new chain had better come with a master link(Sram, Wipperman).
I really don't trust myself putting a chain back together with pins because of the very
small room for error. Been running master links for years with no problems. I even
carry a spare one with me on all rides.

Dennis Noward