Cheap carbon

LanceAS

Re "Price of advice" - prior posting - compare the Planet - X £999 carbon frame bike with the Trek 1.9 Alloy ? frame - At this price level do you get a cheap carbon frame or is it worth having; or should you stick with something known like the trek? All other components are similar so its down to the frame. :roll:

Monty Dog

The reason for the price difference is the fact that you're not dealing with a middleman with Planet-X - so in comparison to the Trek, it works out as a saving of about 35%. You're also paying a 'premium' for the Trek brand - whatever value you wish to attach to that and your moniker may be a give-away. The fact is the P-X represents far better value for money - it's a no-brainer decision AFAIC.

giant_man

I totally agree! Planet X all the way for me. I personally wouldn't touch a Trek. Any Trek.

pliptrot

Guys,

in the spirit of the community, why does Trek evoke such contempt? I understood that their OCLV frames (Madone...) were/are pretty good. What has the company done to upset you so much? They are a large, Amercian corporation, (pejorative terms if ever they existed!) and their web site come across as just that, but is that enough to label them as untouchable? AFAIAC I will patronise the company that best informs me of what they are doing - I've spent some serious time on the Cervelo website recently, and they will provide my next frame as a result. Time spent on this forum has persuaded me that my previous prejudice about frame origins were unfounded, allowing me a much wider range of options. But why hate Trek (I'm just curious)?

Down the Road

Monty Dog wrote:

The reason for the price difference is the fact that you're not dealing with a middleman with Planet-X - so in comparison to the Trek, it works out as a saving of about 35%. You're also paying a 'premium' for the Trek brand - whatever value you wish to attach to that and your moniker may be a give-away. The fact is the P-X represents far better value for money - it's a no-brainer decision AFAIC.

What load of BULLS.....t You might want to study economics and look into buying in bulk comaared to the cost of advertising and brand nake. Think of the numbers each company sold last year and you will realise that only a few can purchase as cheaply as trek Spesh Giant etc..

Cheap carbon is NOT what it seems. The bigger companies are using Aerospace materials whereas a lot of smaller guys are using materials designed for tenis raquets.

You get what you pay for and if your frame is worth less than £750.00 it should be metal.

PS If you are cutting out the middle man we'd almost all be on GIANTS.

Monty Dog

You've made the classic mistake of assuming that price and cost are related - something that anyone with half-a-nous of marketing knowledge would understand. On what basis do you believe a £750 frame should be made of metal - that's about the most stupid and simplistic assumption anyone could make without qualification. If a masters degree in business and 10 years international business development experience isn't enough to match your esteemed wisdom then so be it. One further factor you don't take into account is that you assume that P-X frames are made in small numbers in some small shed in Taiwan when in all probability, they're subcontracted to large manufacturers such as Merida or Giant. For a realistic comparison, see how much your bike sells for in the US and tell me you've not been over-charged. When you demonstrate first hand knowledge and not regurgitated marketing blurb, tell me who's B-S'ing who?

Garybee

Handbags are out again.

gkerr4

monty's right though

xover_runner

Down the road has gone down the road

redddraggon

Down the Road wrote:

PS If you are cutting out the middle man we'd almost all be on GIANTS.

Why's that?