Wimpy runners
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Yeah someone even died. I mean what a pansy...-- Dirk Hofman Motorhomes --0
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Your average sportive doesn't normally have over 10,000 entrants, many of whom are only moderately fit and some of whom have a good chance of going t!ts-up during the event.. The gulf between the fastest and slowest rider on a sportive is far narrower than the equivalent gulf in a big city marathon.
BTW, if a rider died due to heat on one of the GTs we'd be jamming this forum about the organisers indifference to the health of the peleton.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
There's no cooling breeze when running. You get hotter. But then it's up to you to dress right and to hydrate properly. Similarly, people die in gran fondo and cyclosport rides too, from heart attacks, crashes and more.
Remember, sh1t happens and you're more likely to die driving to a marathon or gran fondo. Hundreds of thousands of people are born and die each day, if you got 10,000 people together in a room, instead of a running race, there's always a chance that one of them would die.0 -
I missed the part where someone died. sorry. was it a heart attack?0
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Runners die on these events often, Great North Run had 4 deaths in the 2005 edition and that was over 13 miles.
"A Northumbria Police spokesman said: "I can confirm four male participants in the race have died, which is more than the usual one or two - but every year more people are taking part." " Another fatality in 2006, probably passed without comment by the local Fuzz!
The London marathon's been "lucky" a mere 9 fatalities and another 5 rescucitated during the race since its inception in 1981.
2007 London marathon, 36,391 runners, 5,032 "treated" by the St John's Ambulance people, 73 taken to hospital and the one poor sod taken to the mortuary.
"Based on 23 years’ experience, the approximate overall risks of running the Marathon are:
contact with St John: 1 in 6;
contact with a hospital accident and emergency department: 1 in 800;
hospital admission: 1 in 10,000;
death: 1 in 67,414 – a risk which is comparable to many daily activities."
ref: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/london-marathon.htmlRemember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.0 -
Titanium wrote:There's no cooling breeze when running. You get hotter. But then it's up to you to dress right and to hydrate properly. Similarly, people die in gran fondo and cyclosport rides too, from heart attacks, crashes and more.
Remember, sh1t happens and you're more likely to die driving to a marathon or gran fondo. Hundreds of thousands of people are born and die each day, if you got 10,000 people together in a room, instead of a running race, there's always a chance that one of them would die.
It's a very low chance tho, much lower than 1 in 10000. ("if you got 10,000 people togetherin a room .instead of a running race..ways a chance that one of them would die").
I'd also expect the odds of serious injury or dying to be much higher in gran fondo than in driving to it.0 -
Unless you've ever run a marathon in very high temperatures (surrounded by hundreds of other runner) you really can't imagine what it's like.
My missus who's a decent club runner was there and has never known heat like it. People were collapsing at regular intervals with 300 ending up in hospital.
The fact they stopped the race says everything. It's almost unheard of. The heat was so bad that reports suggest that 10,000 of the 40,000 entrants didn't bother.
My missus was at 1:53 at halfway and finished in 4:17. With £4,500 sponsorship money riding on her completing it she decided to slow down and finish rather than go for a fast time.0 -
They stopped one of the European marathons either this year or last for the same reason. I think the difference with cycling is that on the bike you've got a 20mph breeze blowing into you and that makes a massive difference. If you think how hot you get on a turbo you get some idea why running in hot weather can be dangerous.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
when I was climbing the pyrenes at 10 kmph or less there wasn;t much breeze but after an hour or two of uphill, at least you have the downhill 60+ kmph to cool you off. So that is a big difference. Plus you usually aren;t in quite as a big of group. Generally more separation. P0
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Tom Butcher wrote:They stopped one of the European marathons either this year or last for the same reason. I think the difference with cycling is that on the bike you've got a 20mph breeze blowing into you and that makes a massive difference. If you think how hot you get on a turbo you get some idea why running in hot weather can be dangerous.
Yep that was Rotterdam marathon. Whilst you do get races that are held in hotter conditions than those at Rotterdam (which is held in April), they tend to be closer to the summer, where people have trained in warmer weather. I always think the problem with April marathons is that people train throughout the winter when it is cold, then get to race day and it turns out to be hot!!
I think the other problem with deaths in these big races is generally the size of the event. I think the other year when the people died at the Great North Run the people were actually reasonably fit. But the whole weekend around these big races can be very tiring and quite stressful which cannot help at all. I much prefer jumping in the car a couple of hours before and turning up to a race with a couple of hundred people than the races with thousands. (although it doesn't stop me entering FLM every year).0 -
seems that the weather got hotter than expected and aid stations were running out of water. Its not as bad for us cyclists cos we can carry fluid with us easily - runners tend to use the feed stations and if they run out - then its trouble. In these days of liability - the organisers will always err on the side of caution. I have run two marathons as part of iron man tris when it was in the thirties - but the organisers were ready for it with aid stations every kilo. I think they were only every two miles in chicago.0
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The physiology (i.e. how your heart, lungs and muscles react and how you at the time perceive them) when running is quite different to when cycling. If you ever try a duathlon or triathlon , you’ll discover this immediately. So in that respect it’s unfair to compare running with cycling.Radsman wrote:Looked like your average French or Italian Cyclosportive to me.
On the other hand I don’t feel totally unsympathetic to your remark.
The temperature at the Rotterdam marathon was never higher than 25 deg C, so not really that hot at all. I think they stopped the slower runners (they didn’t stop the whole event) more as a precaution against possible worse adverse publicity, rather than it was really necessary - Rotterdam is considered one of the fastest courses, so always good for world records – a reputation they wouldn’t like to lose.
In Chicago the temperature was apparently 31 deg C. I can well imagine some untrained, overweight runners might find this too warm. But from my experience, I think anyone who has trained, is in their BMI range, and has learnt to know their own body, should be able to cope with temperatures up to 35-40 deg C, albeit need to take it a bit easier then.
The Chicago organisers were probably erring on the safe side, in the sense of following the lowest common deniminator creates the least problems, given the claims procesesses in the USA..0 -
I think there's a big difference in preparation too - foolhardy people kid themselves that a couple of times a week on a treadmill is enough to train for a marathon and unfortunately the effects of heat stress are that you don't recognise the symptoms before its too late. I'd say that cyclists generally have a better awareness about the need for hydration and the impact upon their own performance - they've probably experienced it in training. Whereas many people turn up for a marathon having shuffled round a 'half' a couple of times and have no real knowledge of what to expect. I've completed numerous marathons, triathlons and ironman events as well as bike races - but a long, hot day in the saddle is still the toughest IME.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Monty Dog wrote:I think there's a big difference in preparation too - foolhardy people kid themselves that a couple of times a week on a treadmill is enough to train for a marathon .
I agree with that totally. The fact also is people who are turning up to take part in a sportive have n the whole made a considerable investment to be there (i.e. bought themselves a half decent bike I would guess). I've been horrified turning up for races at the number of people who choose to run a half or a marathon in 3/4 length shorts and their best adidas (or Lonsdale) tae kwan do shoes! I wear proper kit and shoes (designed for running) yet I can still end up chaffed, with my shins in agony at times!*
(although I know how to look after my legs a bit better now!)0 -
I raced a criterium in Melbourne when it was 40degrees and that was hot.0
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Having run the New York marathon, I was grateful for the downhill sections where I was able to freewheel to recover! Oh thats right, runners cant freewheel0
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biking_mongoose wrote:Having run the New York marathon, I was grateful for the downhill sections where I was able to freewheel to recover! Oh thats right, runners cant freewheel
Heelies! That would do the trick.
Cheers, Andy0 -
Why has no one thought of that? Pure genius
Would could haile do at Berlin next year with a pair of them on0
