Which bicycle lock out the two?

messier0101

Abus Granit X Plus and KRYPTONITE NEW YORK 3000

I don't live in a high risk area, nor do I cycle anywhere that is....but I'm after a lock where I can confidently leave my bike with without worrying at all.....

Thanks in advance,

homercles

Is there such a thing as not worrying at all? I'm not so sure.

Anyway, I've got a New York 3000 and still have my bike - saying that, it sounds like the square shackle of the Abus locks (I take it you are talking D locks as Abus Granit X Plus description applies to a lot of their range, it seems) is very highly regarded by those in the know. I reckon it's probably the one to have of the well known, widely available locks right now.

messier0101

Well I guess you're right, although at least you know you got a half decent lock just in case some scrotum bag tries to steal it.

In hindsight would you have gone for the Abus instead? and yes it is the D-lock I'm on about.

Thanks,

homercles

If I were buying a lock tomorrow, probably yes.

dondare

I use two anchor chains and three maximum security locks.

dondare

gilbert_by_proxy

Is that you stood in front of your bike dondare?

dondare

That is I. K. Brunel standing in front of chains used for launching the SS Great Eastern.
The chains that I use to secure my bike are not dissimilar.

vinylmonkey

I've had both locks and think the Abus is a better one as its lighter and the attachment to the bike seems better as well. Its a little bit bigger as well so you have more scope to lock it around something. also my New York lock was starting to rust a little bit where the key goes in.

alfablue

The Abus Granit X-Plus 54 got a 10/10 rating in C+. It lasted a few seconds less than the Kryptonite lock, but pretty close. It has a thinner (13mm versus 18mm) shackle than the Kryptonite, but because of the square section it required 2 cuts to break it as the shackle won't twist after one cut. This means they achieved similar security with a lighter lock. This would be my first choice.

You then just need one 4 foot cable, this will go round both wheels (put it around the front and pass the cable through itself, this leaves enough to go round the rear nd back into the lock).

dondare

Buy and use both.

dazzawazza

alfablue wrote:

It has a thinner (13mm versus 18mm) shackle than the Kryptonite

Can large bolt croppers fit around a 13mm shackle?

alfablue

dazzawazza wrote:

alfablue wrote:

It has a thinner (13mm versus 18mm) shackle than the Kryptonite

Can large bolt croppers fit around a 13mm shackle?

Probably, yes.

But it requires 2 cuts, and I think if the lock is positioned well above the floor, purchase on bolt croppers may be compromised. A good point though, the C+ tests used hand tools for the first 5 minutes, then used power tools (angle grinder I think), the Abus and Kryptonite withstood a couple of minutes of power tools - I can't remember if bolt croppers featured in their hand tool attack.

I remember Captaincropper (af Almax) rated the Abus design, but was a bit critical of the Kryptonite design because there were some plastic components around the lock mechanism (if my memory serves me correctly).

Ultimately you really need to be spending £100 plus and carrying over 4kg to resists attack by 40inch croppers, but these are not the kind of equipment that can be carried by oportunistic thieves.

One thing in favour of the Kryptonite is the (£2500 I think) anti-theft guarantee, though I think it expires after 1 year unless you extend it to 3. Abus have no guarantee.

alfablue

From a previous thread

alfablue wrote:
Those chains look vulnerable. Note that with all the attacks the lower arm of the bolt cutters was on the floor allowing the full weight of the attacker to be put on the cutters - it suggests to me that the lock should go up around the top tube of the bike to avoid this - it also suggests to me that maybe top-end D (or U) locks are a better bet than chains - note they didn't attempt to cut the mini-D lock on the Fagedaboutit chain. Obviously positioning and minimising space within the lock will be important.

Cycling Plus's test on locks in May found the Abus Granit X Plus 54 took over one minute to cut with an angle grinder, but took 2 cuts to release it, as the square section U won't swivel when cut once. I wonder what Captaincropper would make of this lock???

Captaincropper wrote:
I prefer the 59 because it's 16mm shackle can't be cropped. The square design shackle is a top idea though and yes, you DO need to bust both sides to get the bike out (well I did on my EXPENSIVE 59).

Thumbs up from me for the Abus 59 that's for sure.

nicklouse

LCFC85 wrote:

Abus Granit X Plus and KRYPTONITE NEW YORK 3000

I don't live in a high risk area, nor do I cycle anywhere that is....but I'm after a lock where I can confidently leave my bike with without worrying at all.....

Thanks in advance,

my reply to this is. if you have insurance then whichever lock is aproved by the insurance provider. If both are then take your pick.

If you dont have insurance then get both.

discurio

i have the abus and i still have my bike. youch wood

messier0101

thanks for the replies....I'll go for the abus