Those 10 Dynepo "positives"

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited October 2007 in Pro race
According to cyclingnews they had been in athletics. No names though.

A cyclist and we find out his name.

Typical, isn't it?

Unless it's just being used as a catch-all term for athletes including cyclists.
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Even if they were all cyclists (and I reckon some must be), dumping on Rasmussen via a leak is bad stuff.

    But like I often say, we need to stop shooting the messenger, the really bad news is that the likes of Rasmussen are allegedly taking these banned substances and getting away with it because the authorities are behind the times. So the UCI and WADA are messing up and above all the "athletes" just can't stop.
  • phil s
    phil s Posts: 1,128
    iainf72 wrote:
    According to cyclingnews they had been in athletics. No names though.

    A cyclist and we find out his name.

    Typical, isn't it?

    Unless it's just being used as a catch-all term for athletes including cyclists.

    No, he does say athletics.
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  • ut_och_cykla
    ut_och_cykla Posts: 1,594
    Just being picky really... he says athletes which might be the same as 'sportsmen/women'.

    But yes - release all the names or none. And if blood inconsistencies are showing up in tests then do something about it - put pressure on sponsors, clubs, managers, the 'athletes'.

    I do hope the cycling/drug witch hunt will soon become a 'drugs in sports generally' debate, because it does 'happen' in other sports. Even our local ice-hockey lads beef up with anabolics... :cry: . It's not good when Joe Public thinks - exercise? they're all on drugs. It's stifling sponsorship and interest at lower levels already. It needs to stop but selecting pro cycling as the only bad guy is misguided :)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    ut_och_cykla wrote:
    Just being picky really... he says athletes which might be the same as 'sportsmen/women'.

    In June already, I had mentioned that there had been ten cases in athletics
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  • skavanagh.bikeradar
    skavanagh.bikeradar Posts: 1,097
    I look forward to reading about this huge scandal in the broadsheets at the weekend. And on TV and the BBC website today. Hopefully some of the athletics names will also be made available for vilification.

    On the other hand, don't hold your breath. You'd almost certainly expire.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    In the comic today, it mentions a rumour about a certain Dr Fuentes working with a certain Spanish football team.

    http://centerholdsit.wordpress.com/2007 ... -his-life/
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  • phil s
    phil s Posts: 1,128
    A journo I spoke at the Tour had seen some of the names on the list and I believe that football club was one of the ones that he mentioned to me.
    -- Dirk Hofman Motorhomes --
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    You tease Phil.

    We all know there was football (and they're most likely buying the silence) - Did you discover any other sports?
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  • phil s
    phil s Posts: 1,128
    Without naming names he mentioned a very famous tennis player, an F1 driver and he said there were some athletes he recognised but didn't know too much about...
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    iainf72 wrote:
    In the comic today, it mentions a rumour about a certain Dr Fuentes working with a certain Spanish football team.

    http://centerholdsit.wordpress.com/2007 ... -his-life/

    Le Monde reported bigger clubs than that

    http://www.ergogenics.org/484.html

    When it gets to institutions that big, you see why things get covered up.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    phil s wrote:
    Without naming names he mentioned a very famous tennis player, an F1 driver and he said there were some athletes he recognised but didn't know too much about...

    I'm going to guess Cliff Richard and Stirling Moss
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  • ut_och_cykla
    ut_och_cykla Posts: 1,594
    An american female sprinter has today apparently admitted using anabolics for Olympics 2000 - she won 5 medals!
    :cry:
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Ahhhh, Maid Marion.

    In the build up to the Olympics I reckon there will be more and more coming out. And everyone will realise what they've seen at the Olympics over the last couple of decades has not been what it seemed.
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  • ut_och_cykla
    ut_och_cykla Posts: 1,594
    Yes Iaian72 - didn't Carl Lewis also recently admit using amphetamines prior to his winning races? (Or is that old news :oops: ?)
    Sport is riddled with drug abuse - but I don't think everyone is guilty.It's still the problem of entertainment for the punters - who pay to see spectacle not truth presumably.... :cry:
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    RichN95 wrote:
    phil s wrote:
    Without naming names he mentioned a very famous tennis playe
    I wonder which Spaniard with big arms he means? :roll:
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Thank goodness there aren't a lot of Spanish players in the Premiership. Oh, hang on...
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    ut_och_cykla wrote:
    An american female sprinter has today apparently admitted using anabolics for Olympics 2000 - she won 5 medals!
    :cry:


    Got a link to a story?
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • ut_och_cykla
    ut_och_cykla Posts: 1,594
    Timoid. wrote:
    ut_och_cykla wrote:
    An american female sprinter has today apparently admitted using anabolics for Olympics 2000 - she won 5 medals!
    :cry:


    Got a link to a story?

    In Swedish :wink: from Swedish news wire 'TT'
    Jones kan bli av med tio medaljer

    Forna sprintdrottningen Marion Jones riskerar sex månaders fängelse och att förlora de tio medaljer, inklusive sex guld, hon vann i OS och VM under 1999—2001. Jones har enligt Washington Post erkänt att hon dopat sig.
    (rough translation - can lose 10 medals, inc 6 golds - confession according to Washington Post)
  • TheBigOne
    TheBigOne Posts: 99
    from what i have heard there is also a female british athlete on those lists... a long distance athlete...
  • ContrelaMontre
    ContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    On the US sprint star:

    http://tinyurl.com/34xlqb
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  • ContrelaMontre
    ContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    TheBigOne wrote:
    from what i have heard there is also a female british athlete on those lists... a long distance athlete...

    Heard from who? Are they reliable or did they tell also you they saw Elvis Presley and Mama Cass eating burgers in a Diner just outside surbiton where Glen Miller was playing some Jazz with light entertainment from Andy Kaufman?
    Rule No.10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster
  • drenkrom
    drenkrom Posts: 1,062
    what's that phrase we read so much around here about not shooting the messenger? Oh yeah! "Don't shoot the messenger".

    a little substantiation would help, though...
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Interesting that people are willing to believe a particular British lady's startling long distance running performances are due to natural talent, while a particular Spanish monkey's efforts with a racquet are dissmissed as drug fueled. This despite the fact that the evidence against both is entirely the same. Rumour and hearsay.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Give them all bibles, that's what I say!

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/04/ ... dsport.php
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  • ContrelaMontre
    ContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    Timoid. wrote:
    Interesting that people are willing to believe a particular British lady's startling long distance running performances are due to natural talent, while a particular Spanish monkey's efforts with a racquet are dissmissed as drug fueled. This despite the fact that the evidence against both is entirely the same. Rumour and hearsay.

    I'm actually quite suspect about a certain female runner with a distinctive running style. However, that doesn't make it ok to spread entirely unsubstantiated rumours about doping.
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  • Titanium
    Titanium Posts: 2,056
    iainf72 wrote:
    Give them all bibles, that's what I say!

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/04/ ... dsport.php

    The article refers to Steve Levitt, author of Freakonmics, a popular book on everyday applications of economics and statistics.

    He was called in by the insurance company that tried to withhold payment of a bonus to Lance Armstrong and offered an interesting take on Armstrong's probability of riding clean, using statistical analysis of his performances.
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Titanium wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Give them all bibles, that's what I say!

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/04/ ... dsport.php

    The article refers to Steve Levitt, author of Freakonmics, a popular book on everyday applications of economics and statistics.

    He was called in by the insurance company that tried to withhold payment of a bonus to Lance Armstrong and offered an interesting take on Armstrong's probability of riding clean, using statistical analysis of his performances.

    I remember reading the article on the Freakonomics website when he was trying to apply such an analysis to doping in cycling generally. IIRC, it was a less than conclusive exercise.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 595825.ece

    Does this sound like another sport you know about

    Her legacy will be to have helped taint a sport that is already struggling for legitimacy and has been hauled over the coals by unsympathetic laymen in a post-Ohuruogu feeding frenzy.

    Change "her" for "his" and "Ohuruogu" for "Puerto" or "Landis"

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