Leaders VAM in Vuelta

iainf72

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=90

Ok, I know it's 10% but it's still a pretty impressive number.

Kléber

That's almost as quick as Santi Perez :shock:

iainf72

The same Santi Perez who came 65'th an hour and a half down this time.

:P

Bronzie

From October 2007 Procycling:

"410 - Stage winner Denis Menchov's average wattage on the 10.2km 6.99% Andorra-Arcalis climb in stage 10 of the Vuelta

475 - Jan Ullrich's on the same climb in the 1997 Tour. "Der Kaiser" reached the summt just over 4 minutes quicker"

This information is attributed to CyclingNews.com although I haven't been able to find it on there using their suspect search facility.

Presumably this data has been reached from analysing VAM statistics rather than output from the rider's own SRM cranks................which I would be more inclined to believe over the suspect VAM calculations.

So is Menchov still a witch?

calvjones

If an explanation can be found how Denny rides like a donkey at a Tour he's team leader for, then comfortably out-TTs and out-climbs Cadel a couple of months later, I'd love to hear it. I guess he had a week more recovery after leaving the Tour a tad early, but still...

iainf72

calvjones wrote:

If an explanation can be found how Denny rides like a donkey at a Tour he's team leader for, then comfortably out-TTs and out-climbs Cadel a couple of months later, I'd love to hear it. I guess he had a week more recovery after leaving the Tour a tad early, but still...

Ummm, Cadel hadn't taken his special juice? :P

cougie

I think Cadel is one of the clean guys ?

DaveyL

Bronzie wrote:

From October 2007 Procycling:

"410 - Stage winner Denis Menchov's average wattage on the 10.2km 6.99% Andorra-Arcalis climb in stage 10 of the Vuelta

475 - Jan Ullrich's on the same climb in the 1997 Tour. "Der Kaiser" reached the summt just over 4 minutes quicker"

This information is attributed to CyclingNews.com although I haven't been able to find it on there using their suspect search facility.

Presumably this data has been reached from analysing VAM statistics rather than output from the rider's own SRM cranks................which I would be more inclined to believe over the suspect VAM calculations.

So is Menchov still a witch?

You don't need to "analyse" VAM statistics to come up with a Wattage. You just need to know the rider + bike weight and the time for the climb. There are a couple of websites that can calculate power. Consistent-gradient climbs with little wind are good because they tend to minimise errors related to air-resistance. I guess Jan could have had a big tailwind that day....

iainf72

cougie wrote:

I think Cadel is one of the clean guys ?

People thought Ullrich was clean too.

Not saying Cadel isn't, but we just don't know, do we?

skavanagh.bikeradar

No we don't, and I'm past speculating. I'm more interested in what everyone is going to do about it. I'd like to know what Bettini thinks should be done, how and by whom.

Radsman

if most other top guys are doping (as some assume), and doping gives you a strong advantage, then that would presume that Cadel is a superman to perform as well as he does without dope. unfortunately, this is the logic that leads one to presume everyone, at least the top guys, must be doping. If one is doing it and you are beating or staying with him, doesn't that mean you must be doing it to, either that or you are so genetically superior that you don't need to dope.

We don't no for sure, but I have no reason to think Cadel is cleaner than anyone else. So depends on how clean you think everyone else is.