Floyd Landis: guilty

Kléber

claim the BBC.

...more news soon

iainf72

Yup 2:1 with Landis's guy being the 1.

aurelio_-_banned

More on this excellent result for the future of cycling here:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id= ... /sep21news

Only thing is that a 2 year ban seem far too small for the way this unprincipled, manipulative doper has dragged the name of cycling through the mud for so long, let alone the way he has done everything possible in his power to make it all but impossible for dopers who have come up positive in even multiple separate tests to be actually held to be guilty of doping. (Wasn't exogenous testosterone found in samples taken from Landis on 7 different days?) .

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“Clinger told me that while he was racing in 2002 on the United States Postal Service Pro Cycling Team he used HGH, testosterone and EPO along with Floyd Landis. David told me, and I quote, 'Landis used more HGH than anyone he had ever witnessed before. He would use entire vials of HGH and he is crazy.' ”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20 ... andis.html

iainf72

2 year ban probably starting from end of 06 Tour (which I think is very generous)

I hope Floyd just leaves it.

Anonymous

Hope Óscar Pereiro can get some recompense for loss of potential earnings .
Read :I hope he sues the cheating b@stard

Langenberg

Absolutely, and that teams don't employ him if he doesn't want to.

iainf72

Anton de Lacey wrote:

Hope Óscar Pereiro can get some recompense for loss of potential earnings .
Read :I hope he sues the cheating b@stard

Oscar "No, really, I don't have a dog called that and so what that I used to ride for Phonak" Pereiro you mean?

:?

girofan

Not wishing to gloat over a persons downfall.
BUT HE HAD IT COMING IN SPADES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The cost of his denial must be enourmous. I wouldn't think he will bear the total cost, (such a pity), the UCI, WADA and other unspecified organisations will pick up a proportion of the bill.
What a waste of time, money and resources on a no good such as Landis! :x :x

iainf72

girofan wrote:

The cost of his denial must be enourmous. I wouldn't think he will bear the total cost, (such a pity), the UCI, WADA and other unspecified organisations will pick up a proportion of the bill.

The bill goes to the USADA for the defense and apparantly it was a fair percentage of their budget.

iainf72

Hmmm. the Comic are saying ban would start 30/01/07

Anonymous

iainf72 wrote:

Anton de Lacey wrote:

Hope Óscar Pereiro can get some recompense for loss of potential earnings .
Read :I hope he sues the cheating b@stard

Oscar "No, really, I don't have a dog called that and so what that I used to ride for Phonak" Pereiro you mean?

:?

Wot u on?

iainf72

Anton de Lacey wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Anton de Lacey wrote:

Hope Óscar Pereiro can get some recompense for loss of potential earnings .
Read :I hope he sues the cheating b@stard

Oscar "No, really, I don't have a dog called that and so what that I used to ride for Phonak" Pereiro you mean?

:?

Wot u on?

Just mentioned Oscar was kind of linked to Puerto (rightly or wrongly) and has ridden for a colourful team or two.

Anonymous

Landis has been found to be guilty of cheating,Pereiro hasn't.

Kléber

Pereiro is as clean as his team mate Valverde.

CM92S4E

Great news, it was so blatant that Landis had cheated on Stage 17, that even pursuing it was ridiculos. Good on Pereiro... breakaway winner!!!

Milram-fan

Landis is still weighing his legal options, but released a statement calling the decision "a blow to athletes and cyclists everywhere".

This it may be but it's bloody good news for the rest of us, those that care for this sport and the athletes that ride clean.

iainf72

Good article on it here with a summary of the findings.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/WireStory? ... 142&page=1

Interesting they dismissed the T:E thing. And they do seem to think the labs need to be a bit more organised.

iainf72

And the findings PDF here

http://www.velonews.com/media/LandisDecision.pdf

Not for the fainthearted.

afx237vi

iainf72 wrote:

Just mentioned Oscar was kind of linked to Puerto (rightly or wrongly) and has ridden for a colourful team or two.

Pereiro was linked to Puerto because some guy on a Spanish cycling messageboard came up with a link that Galicia had a mythical dog called Urko and Pereiro is a Galician. That's tenuous even by the most cynical stretch of the imagination.

Richrd2205

iainf72 wrote:

Hmmm. the Comic are saying ban would start 30/01/07

A two (2) year period of ineligibility as described by the WADA Code, beginning
on the day you accept this sanction, fail to contest this sanction, or the date of
the hearing decision in this matter

(from the pdf posted above...)

It sounds like the ban should start about now.... So Landis should be available for pro-tour teams in 2011. Och, what a shame!!!

rdaviesb

Justice. I am pleased that the weight of the evidence has prevailed.

andyp

I'm glad he's been convicted - evidence of exogenous synthetic testosterone should be hard to explain away by attacking the integrity of the process.

That said, I hope both WADA and the UCI learn from this and educate their accredited labs to act in the prescribed manner to ensure that, in future, athletes have no recourse to this line of defence.

Kléber

Milram-fan wrote:

Landis is still weighing his legal options, but released a statement calling the decision "a blow to athletes and cyclists everywhere".

A blow? I'd call it a gale of fresh air.

Kléber

Anyway, we'll maybe never know the TRUTH. Did he take testosterone during the Tour? Or was it a contaminated blood infusion?

Over to you Floyd. [I'm not holding my breath]

aurelio_-_banned

iainf72 wrote:

Interesting they dismissed the T:E thing. And they do seem to think the labs need to be a bit more organised.

It is no surprise that not too much weight should be placed on the T/E ratio test as it only indicative in any case. It is the IRMS tests which are definitive, and no way could all 7 of Landis's positive IRMS test results be false positives!

At first Landis seemed very willing for his 'B' samples to be tested, obviously thinking that the T/E ratio test would simply be repeated, which as I said isn't a definitive test. Then the UCI called his bluff and demanded IRMS tests be done instead, which he couldn't explain away by claiming the positive result was due to having a naturally unnatural level of testosterone in his body, having drunk a Jack Daniels and whatever other co ck-and-bull story he could cook up.

Any weakness in the T/E ratio testing procedure is about a good a reason to find him innocent as someone being pulled over for speeding, being found to be many times over the drink drive limit, and then claiming they should be let off the drink-drive charge because it is found that the police can't prove that the speed gun used to pull them over had been calibrated recently!

All the evidence shows that Landis was dosing on testosterone in order to counter the depletion of this hormone as the race progressed and so aid his recovery ALL THE WAY THOUGH THE RACE, not just on the day of his quite literally unbelievable comeback. His 'medical program' was obviously aimed at keeping his T/E limits within the acceptable boundaries, but then they screwed up and got caught.

aurelio_-_banned

Kléber wrote:

Anyway, we'll maybe never know the TRUTH.

We already do, the IRMS test results are the truth.

Kléber wrote:

Did he take testosterone during the Tour? Or was it a contaminated blood infusion?

Yes he was taking testosterone right though the Tour (see above). As to blood doping, yes like many others on the scene, word is Landis also was partial to his "800 ml of packed cells" at least when he was riding for Discovery. (Just like the rest of Bruyneel's 'Disco' riders...). Irony is that word also has it that his resurrection cannot be attributed to blood doping as he didn't actually have a transfusion the night before his stage win!

wasp707

Good to see Landis found guilty after trying to come up with all the excuses under the sun. What saddens me though is the impact that he had on the race whilst cheating. Without him we would no doubt have seen a totally different race, particularly on his infamous breakaway stage. Still, congratulations to Oscar, at least for now.

jimmythecuckoo

David Clinger called Landis mad?

Isn't he the one who had the tattoo all over his face a couple of years back and got sacked from Healthnet for it?

If so it takes one to know one!

Oh and good riddance Floyd. Another Lance Armstrong acolyte bites the dust.

iainf72

aurelio wrote:

It is no surprise that not too much weight should be placed on the T/E ratio test as it only indicative in any case. It is the IRMS tests which are definitive, and no way could all 7 of Landis's positive IRMS test results be false positives!

I meant the reason they dismissed the T:E thing - Because the lab didn't perform the test properly, not because it doesn't carry much weight. As you say, it's doesn't carry much weight but I think the arbs point was "look guys, this is a warning, sort it out". There are a few of them through the report.

LangerDan

Richrd2205 wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Hmmm. the Comic are saying ban would start 30/01/07

A two (2) year period of ineligibility as described by the WADA Code, beginning
on the day you accept this sanction, fail to contest this sanction, or the date of
the hearing decision in this matter

(from the pdf posted above...)

It sounds like the ban should start about now.... So Landis should be available for pro-tour teams in 2011. Och, what a shame!!!

The ruling states that the ban commences from the end of January this year (when he voluntarily withdrew from competition) and Floyd can return on 29th Jan 2009.

DaveyL

I think it is very significant that an arbitration case has decided to dismiss one of the tests carried out in a supposedly accredited lab (T:E test) and the reaction here has been pretty mild, I think. Has this happened before? That lab needs a serious kick up the backside. They have to get their procedures right - every time. Doing otherwise just provides another defence for those who genuinely cheat.