Dura Ace or Record

jaredpace
jaredpace Posts: 111
edited August 2007 in Workshop
Going to buy one of those new Trek Madones with a Project One paint job. Already have one from two years ago with Dura Ace groupset but want to know if the Campy record is lighter for the new machine. It certainly looks the part. Anyone have any ideas? Cheers, Jared
Jared

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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Record is lighter by around 225g for the full groupset.
  • jaredpace
    jaredpace Posts: 111
    Kléber
    Thanks for the info! :D
    Jared
  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    Chorus is actually slightly lighter than DA!
  • hangsheadinshame
    hangsheadinshame Posts: 299
    Record
  • Down the Road
    Down the Road Posts: 949
    Why compromise.

    RECORD

    Anything else is a compromise
    Racing is life - everything else is just waiting
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Dura Ace - you can go to training camp with the price difference and save more than 225g off yourself.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • Ste_S
    Ste_S Posts: 1,173
    If weight is your main thing get SRAM Force, and/or take yourself to weight weenies

    Otherwise in order of importance :-

    1. The one whose levers fit your hands the best
    2. The one that looks the nicest.

    Nothing brings out uninformed opinions more than a Campag vs Shimano thread :roll:
  • Dorian Gray
    Dorian Gray Posts: 220
    Ste_S wrote:
    If weight is your main thing get SRAM Force
    Why? Looking at the manufacturers' claims, which surely must be accurate as it would be a trivial matter to weigh the components, SRAM Force seems to weigh a little less than Dura-Ace but quite a lot more than Record (relatively speaking: in reality you'd save more weight taking more frequent pee stops).

    Me, I'd probably go with Veloce. About 250 grams more than Dura-Ace, i.e. half a small water bottle, far cheaper, and arguably longer-lasting than any of the high-end gruppos. But I don't suppose Veloce is an option on that Trek!
  • leguape
    leguape Posts: 986
    Or go all out and wait for the new SRAM Red.
    http://www.atomicecho.com/cycling
  • aracer
    aracer Posts: 1,649
    If you're really bothered by weight, then you can mix and match (without it being a total aesthetic disaster). Force shifters, mechs and brakes with a DA cassette and Record cranks. Or if you can't bear to use a Campag chainset with SRAM kit then there are various other lighter cranks out there if you have the money.
  • wildmoustache
    wildmoustache Posts: 4,010
    for the record, Record is the lightest

    I would be happy with Record or DA, but SRAM has issues ...

    on the bright side, it does look like they are trying to sort them out for 2008.

    On aesthetics I think Record wins it.
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    If you can afford it, Record because everything else is a compromise. When Shimano finally bring out DuraAce carbon for 2009, those horrible slabs of aluminium will look distinctly dated. SRAM still got to sort out problems with their groupset - the shifting isn't quite snappy enough and the brakes are very average.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • Dorian Gray
    Dorian Gray Posts: 220
    The SRAM Force rear mech is ghastly looking: very angular and "techy" looking, especially the cage. The shifters also look a bit strange to my eye, the levers are a bit short and stumpy. The Force cranks look pretty decent. Overall though, Force makes Dura-Ace look elegant, which is quite a feat! :lol:

    Campy definitely have it wrapped up as far as aesthetics go, but I can actually appreciate the look of the Dura-Ace crankset from an engineering perspective (did I just admit a crime in public?), and I quite like the Dura-Ace philosophy of using metal everywhere yet still being able to compete (more or less) with Chorus/Record/Force in weight.

    Monty Dog, do you know Dura-Ace is going carbon in 2009 or are you just guessing/hoping?
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Shimano had prototype carbon cranks in the Tour de France. 2009 will see more carbon and possibly the option of electric shifting.
  • wildmoustache
    wildmoustache Posts: 4,010
    Dorian Gray wrote:
    The SRAM Force rear mech is ghastly looking: very angular and "techy" looking, especially the cage. The shifters also look a bit strange to my eye, the levers are a bit short and stumpy. The Force cranks look pretty decent. Overall though, Force makes Dura-Ace look elegant, which is quite a feat! :lol:

    Campy definitely have it wrapped up as far as aesthetics go, but I can actually appreciate the look of the Dura-Ace crankset from an engineering perspective (did I just admit a crime in public?), and I quite like the Dura-Ace philosophy of using metal everywhere yet still being able to compete (more or less) with Chorus/Record/Force in weight.

    Monty Dog, do you know Dura-Ace is going carbon in 2009 or are you just guessing/hoping?

    Dura Ace is very well engineered I agree. It works. Plain and simple. I also really like the cranks... it's just those damn big guns that are fugly!!
  • jaredpace
    jaredpace Posts: 111
    :) Okay, thanks people!! I've decided to go for the Record groupset. Mainly because it's lighter and I already have DA on my other Madone. Nothing wrong with the DA, I just fancy a change. I also like the fact that Record don't have the shifter cable sticking out 90 degrees unlike the DA. Always been one for the blng carbon look as well. Funds are not an issue so that's covered. Unless someone knows of a lighter way of doing the groupset it's Record for me! Cheers for all the input guys :D
    Jared
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Welcome to the 'dark' side, well the carbon one anyway.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • rdaviesb
    rdaviesb Posts: 566
    Bike already knackered after just two years? :twisted:

    That sorts it then. Got to be Campag.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    OMG Record. Every time. You wont' know how good it is until you have it trust me.
  • jaredpace
    jaredpace Posts: 111
    rdaviesb
    Bike not knackered after two years. It's just that the new Madone is now out and I want a Project One paint job to match my two mountain bikes. I plan on using the old madone as a training bike during those long wet winter rides!
    Jared
  • wildmoustache
    wildmoustache Posts: 4,010
    good to hear a madone with DA is a wet-weather hack :shock:
  • heavymental
    heavymental Posts: 2,091
    wildmoustache wrote:
    good to hear a madone with DA is a wet-weather hack :shock:

    Yep....after 2 years use aswell. Think I need a better paid job!
  • McBain_v1
    McBain_v1 Posts: 5,237
    LOL - hate to see what you consider your "summer bike" should be
    What do I ride? Now that's an Enigma!
  • jaredpace
    jaredpace Posts: 111
    :D What can I say, the business has been good to me these last few years! By the way, the summer bike will be the new Madone. With residual second hand bike prices being what they are, there doesn't appear to be any valid reason to sell the old Madone. So why give it away cheaply?
    Jared
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    If you have the cash - and you seem to - I'd get a winter bike as well. Clearance for guards and then your winter rides will be much more comfortable.
  • jaredpace
    jaredpace Posts: 111
    cougie I already have a Trek 1000 sl which I use for winter riding so I might keep that after what you have said, Many thanks.
    Jared

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