Sodding pedestrians!

georgee

Should by any freak accident that quasi blind ejit of a woman on great portland st thismorning wandering across the road having looked in neither direct read this. a cyclist making noises for you to get out the way means shift out the road, don't stand there like a frickin lemon while I plough into you!

rant over, I can only take solace that my filthy front wheel ruined you pristine white trousers.

BentMikey

Easy tiger, you're not a car driver, surely?

RufusA

georgee wrote:

...don't stand there like a frickin lemon while I plough into you!

If she was standing still, then why the need to plough in to her - IMHO it's cyclists who exact revenge on pedestrians that help encourage anti-cycle feelings.

Rufus.

dondare

Give pedestrians the time they need to cross. Use your brakes if necessary, be considerate and polite. Just like we want motorists to behave towards cyclists.

JustRidecp

I was under the impression that all road users are expected to slow down and stop if they encounter pedestrians crossing the road in front of them. not peep their horn, yell, etc - this is what my driving instructor used to tell me. Obvious exceptions are roads with restrictions such as motorways, dual carridgeways, etc.

Whether I'm driving or cycling I expect every pedestrian standing near the kerb to step out in front of me.

georgee

Sorry, I differ on this one, I feel every user of our raods be it on a bike, in a car, on foot or even in a white van must at some point attempt to use their eyes, I would not be expected on my bike to shoot straight out of a junction into oncoming traffic without a care in the world and not get beeped at.

RufusA

georgee wrote:

Sorry, I differ on this one, I feel every user of our raods be it on a bike, in a car, on foot or even in a white van must at some point attempt to use their eyes, I would not be expected on my bike to shoot straight out of a junction into oncoming traffic without a care in the world and not get beeped at.

Depends on the purpose of the beep.

If it's to draw your attention to the fact that there is a hazard / other road user who may not have seen you - then I am all for that. There are times where a judiciously used beep has saved me from an accident.

If it's used as a way of reprimand someone who has done something "wrong", then IMHO it's uncalled for! There are plenty of posts on this forum about drivers etc. leaning on the horn because they feel a cyclist is in the wrong, and I feel cyclists should act in the manner they wish to be treated in encounters with pedestrians.

Every road user should use their eyes, BUT it is also up to every road user to anticipate the road, other users, potential hazards etc. and ride / drive at a speed and in a manner appropriate for them.

It's not a battle of rights and wrongs, good guys and bad guys, it's a case of us road users (be it cars, mopeds cyclists or peds) all being on the same side, just wanting to get from A to B in one piece, and all watching each others backs.

You still haven't really addressed the question I posed, how/why did you hit a stationary pedestrian?

Rufus.

domtyler

georgee, you should have more consideration for other people. How would you like it if some arse hole cyclist ran into your wife, mum or sister? I think you need to take a look in the mirror 'cos your attitude is not good.
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mazcp

You chicken, georgee - you should've run her over - it'd be more humane in the long run.
Poor woman, she must've been like the proverbial 'rabbit in the headlights'.

Show a bit of compassion next time.

(that's my rant over).

Porgy

I've noticed on my commute that there are considerable numbers of people who wait for the cars to go past before crossing but as soon as they see a cyclist - and no cars - off they go straight across - and we're expected to stop for them.

I say that they should show the same level of respect for bikes as they do for cars. So when this happens I charge straight at em with making as much noise I can!!

:twisted:

squired

Whenever possible I signal for pedestrians to cross when I am on my bike (and it is pretty much always appreciated). As a pedestrian I hate it when cars never stop, so as a cyclist doing it I feel that it is giving a better impression of us as road users. It is also the right thing to do. I certainly don't agree with people just going along the road full pelt ringing a bell or using some sort of horn to make sure people get out of the way.

JustRidecp

Porgy wrote:

I've noticed on my commute that there are considerable numbers of people who wait for the cars to go past before crossing but as soon as they see a cyclist - and no cars - off they go straight across - and we're expected to stop for them.

I say that they should show the same level of respect for bikes as they do for cars. So when this happens I charge straight at em with making as much noise I can!!

:twisted:

See my post.

A bike and rider is what? Less than 1m wide? Surely you could safely negotiate a pedestrian without having to cycle straight at them and bawl at them.

Porgy

JustRidecp wrote:

Porgy wrote:

I've noticed on my commute that there are considerable numbers of people who wait for the cars to go past before crossing but as soon as they see a cyclist - and no cars - off they go straight across - and we're expected to stop for them.

I say that they should show the same level of respect for bikes as they do for cars. So when this happens I charge straight at em with making as much noise I can!!

:twisted:

See my post.

A bike and rider is what? Less than 1m wide? Surely you could safely negotiate a pedestrian without having to cycle straight at them and bawl at them.

A crowd of 40 or 50 people - and I just pass straaight through? Don;t think so.

I saw a cyclist hit a ped a few weeks ago - right in front of me. He wasn;t making any noise and she stepped in front of him. His front wheel had a 90 degree bend in it where no 90 degree bend should be.

I don;t baw - I am civilised - I have a horn.

Porgy

squired wrote:

Whenever possible I signal for pedestrians to cross when I am on my bike (and it is pretty much always appreciated). As a pedestrian I hate it when cars never stop, so as a cyclist doing it I feel that it is giving a better impression of us as road users. It is also the right thing to do. I certainly don't agree with people just going along the road full pelt ringing a bell or using some sort of horn to make sure people get out of the way.

As a motorist I regularly give way to peds and cyclists. It often pisses off the car behind me, but that can't be helped.

Kaipaith

Porgy wrote:

JustRidecp wrote:

A bike and rider is what? Less than 1m wide? Surely you could safely negotiate a pedestrian without having to cycle straight at them and bawl at them.

A crowd of 40 or 50 people - and I just pass straaight through? Don;t think so.

Could you stop?

Porgy

Kaipaith wrote:

Porgy wrote:

JustRidecp wrote:

A bike and rider is what? Less than 1m wide? Surely you could safely negotiate a pedestrian without having to cycle straight at them and bawl at them.

A crowd of 40 or 50 people - and I just pass straaight through? Don;t think so.

Could you stop?

I could


I won't

If peds don;t respect our right to be on the road _ i'm not going to allow myself to be relegated to 3rd rate road user all the time.

If I was driving I'd stop and give way - and do. But as a cyclist I feel that we are being marginalised as serious road users so I won't.

RufusA

Kaipaith wrote:

Porgy wrote:

A crowd of 40 or 50 people - and I just pass straaight through? Don;t think so.

Could you stop?

Indeed.

For example near Waterloo station traffic often stops at the red light waiting for the iMax roundabout. The cars leave a gap at the Ped crossing just before the bridge, and peds (rightly IMHO) use the opportunity to cross.

IMHO whilst a cyclist filtering between the stationary cars may have a right of way, keeping hard on the pedals and yelling "OUT MY F***ING WAY" and expecting everyone to scatter is not one that will endear people to the cyclist.

It all comes down to "without due care and consideration for other road users".

Cyclists need to learn that a 80kg man + 20kg bike travelling at 25mph+ is as much a weapon to a ped as a car is to a cyclist!

Rufus.

Kaipaith

Porgy wrote:

Kaipaith wrote:

Could you stop?

I could


I won't

If peds don;t respect our right to be on the road _ i'm not going to allow myself to be relegated to 3rd rate road user all the time.

If I was driving I'd stop and give way - and do. But as a cyclist I feel that we are being marginalised as serious road users so I won't.

Wow. I'm actually speechless.

BentMikey

It's not like we're all perfect, but Porgy has some surprising faults!!!

Porgy

oh dear :roll:

Porgy

Kaipaith wrote:

Porgy wrote:

Kaipaith wrote:

Could you stop?

I could


I won't

If peds don;t respect our right to be on the road _ i'm not going to allow myself to be relegated to 3rd rate road user all the time.

If I was driving I'd stop and give way - and do. But as a cyclist I feel that we are being marginalised as serious road users so I won't.

Wow. I'm actually speechless.

you can still type alright though

Kaipaith

Porgy wrote:

Kaipaith wrote:

Wow. I'm actually speechless.

you can still type alright though

Quite, but I think you know well enough what I meant.

JustRidecp

Porgy wrote:

But as a cyclist I feel that we are being marginalised as serious road users so I won't.

I'd imagine most pedestrians one the morning commute can drive. I'm sure if they come on the recieving end of that from a cyclist they might resent cyclists they see on the road. Surely this will lead to more animosity and marginalisation towards cyclists. It's vicious cycle

Porgy

JustRidecp wrote:

Porgy wrote:

But as a cyclist I feel that we are being marginalised as serious road users so I won't.

I'd imagine most pedestrians one the morning commute can drive. I'm sure if they come on the recieving end of that from a cyclist they might resent cyclists they see on the road. Surely this will lead to more animosity and marginalisation towards cyclists. It's vicious cycle

Yeah go on blame me for what motorists do!!

- a few hoots on the horn - so what?

I don't see any cyclists behaving any differently going through Victoria during rush hour. So you're gonna crucify me for being honest?

Kaipaith

Porgy wrote:

Yeah go on blame me for what motorists do!!

- a few hoots on the horn - so what?

Who do the pedestrians blame for what you do? The motorists who marginalise you?

Sure, you make noise on your horn, but you also said that you also "charge straight at them," which must be fun for them.

I don't think anyone wants to crucify you... just suggest that you take a chill pill.

Porgy

Kaipaith wrote:

Porgy wrote:

Yeah go on blame me for what motorists do!!

- a few hoots on the horn - so what?

Who do the pedestrians blame for what you do? The motorists who marginalise you?

Sure, you make noise on your horn, but you also said that you also "charge straight at them," which must be fun for them.

I might have exaggerated slightly - but if there's a crowd of 50 odd then I'm going to be charging at someone.

Anyway - they could wait till the lights change - or try walking out in front of the cars instead. See if they stop.

(i usually do stop btw - just feel like being an awkward c***)

I don't think anyone wants to crucify you... just suggest that you take a chill pill.

I'm probably having a bad day - the gears on my bike packed in yesterday and i'm relegated to using sodding public transport instead.

cyclingtaz

i thought jaywalking was illegal or was she on a crossing if not she shouldnt have been crossing the road there :?:

Porgy

cyclingtaz wrote:

i thought jaywalking was illegal or was she on a crossing if not she shouldnt have been crossing the road there :?:

no such offence as jaywalking in this country.

JustRidecp

cyclingtaz wrote:

i thought jaywalking was illegal or was she on a crossing if not she shouldnt have been crossing the road there :?:

Its not an offence in this country. Here its considered a personal responsibility to cross the road safely. The highway code recommends you cross in accordance with the green cross code, using crossings where available. If there isn't one, you pick a spot of road where you can see clearly in both directions.

Its an offence in the States. Thats why so many Brits get nailed for casually sauntering across the road over there!

Massimo

I think everyone's missing the basic mindset of different road users, which explains why cyclists have probelm with virtually every other road user. This is how it works (really)

Car drivers are looking out for other cars and pedestrians
Pedestrians are looking out for cars and pedestrians
Motocyclists are looking out for cars and pedestrians

Cyclists - you've got to look out for EVERYBODY be they car driver, pedestrian, motorbike, white van man...

No-one is on the look out for cyclists, it's a fact of life. In the grand scheme of things there still aren't enough of us on the road to have registered in the nation's psyche. Hopefully, the situation will change, but until then keep 'em peeled, 'cos no on else is

dondare

Jaywalking is not illegal in this country.
Pedestrians do have right of way on the road. Whether or not they have priority over cyclists and motorists depends on the situation; but as a rule if they're in the road ahead of you then you are legally obliged to avoid running them over, even if this means using your brakes. When there's a risk of them stepping out into your path it makes sense to take more care; it won't do your bike any good if you plough into one regardless of who is at fault. Any way, think of it like this: a pedestrian is one less car.