Cycling Roll of Honour

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How much credibility has our sport got ...? How many top riders have tested positive, been involved in investigations ? Please contribute to the list.....

***Convicted of Doping***
I.Basso - Giro - Blood doping
Landis - Tour - Testosterone
R.Heras- Vuelta - EPO ?
J.Ullrich - Tour+Vuelta - blood Doping
M.Pantani - Giro+Tour - Insilin
J.Jascke - blood Doping
Kessler - Testostorone ?
Sinkewitz - Testostorone
Hamilton - Blood Doping
Mayo - EPO
Vino - Blood Doping
D.Millar - World TT EPO
Festina Team - EPO - nearly all riders
R.Virenque - Tour Mts - EPO
L.LeBlanc -World CHamp - EPO
Mullet Man - World Champ - EPO
A.Zulle, Tour Podium - EPO
F.Moreau - EPO
T-Mobile Team - EPO - nearly all riders
B.Riis - Tour - EPO
D.Frigo - Suitcase of drugs
F.Vandenbrouke - LBL - Fridge contents
F.Casegrande -Classics - Testosterone
E.Zabel - Tour Green - EPO
S.Kelly - Tour Green - Ephedrine Paris Brussels
A.Merckx - Giro/Tour/Vuelta - (Giro in 69)
T.Simpson - Worlds - Ampetimines
P.Kimmage - Ampetimines

Question Marks - the Jury Out
L.Armstrong - Series of B samples test positive for EPO
F.Mancebo - Op Puerto
O.Sevilla - Op Puerto
A.Davis - Op Puerto
Botero - World TT, Mtn Tour, Op Puerto
Gutierrez - Giro Podium, - Op Puerto
Valverde - Op puerto (Who is Valv..?)
Neil Stephens - never admitted EPO in Festina
A.Contador - Tour - German accusations
Petacchi -Tour/Giro/Vuelta Stages -New inhaler or doping
Rasmussen - Tour Mtn - Mexico/Italy - Avaiding tests
S.Roche - Conconi presentation of evidence of U/23 riders effects taking Doping
R.Sorenson - Conconi presentation of evidence of U/23 riders effects taking Doping

afx237vi

You missed out one of my all-time favs: Raimondas Rumsas. 1 year ban for EPO, entire camper van stacked full of dope, hilariously dodgy missus, 4 month prison sentence for drug smuggling...

alanmcn1

If your really going back Eddy Merckx failed a test and served a suspension, and Anquetil admitted doping. But don't dwell on the past. never before have so many riders spoken out againts the cheats..................it IS getting better

ricadus

E. Berzin – EPO 1999

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The point I would like to make is that the majority of great riders have been involved in doping.The farce in the tour is 3weeks a year but doping is going on on 52 weeks of teh year every year. So can we really expect the events of the last 3 weeks to change anything significantly .......

There are too many blockers to a solution and change -
The infighting between UCI and ASO
No willingness with some fed to fight the problem - Spain!! and Italy to a lesser extent
Use of rogue doctors continues
Teams cannot control riders
Teams not responsible for riders actions and only the rider pays - how does a rider have a blood transfusion in a hotel room in the Tour ..?
Riders are not united to fight doping - possibly biggest blocker!

So in short cycling will make gains in some areas but clean it up and regain credibility - i do not see it. A day late a dollar short

Kléber

Add Johan Museeuw too.

The trouble is that a doping scandal harms every pro cyclist, innocent or guilty. Even I get people shouting "dope" when I ride and the closest I've gone to doping is drinking coffee to wake up in the morning.

It is very rare to get tested. Even in the Tour de France, only the stage winner and yellow jersey get tested each day, along with three random picks and the UCI "vampire" tests are so stupid (they should be testing riders on the start line, not six hours before the race) that anyone can avoid them. So with only five riders getting tested every day, those who want to use some products, like Christian Moreni, can expect to get away with it almost every time, which means that ultimately only a few riders are getting caught. An answer here is to increase the testing.

So doping scandals harm the sport but it's rare to get caught. This means that a pro who is willing to dope gets the benefits (better performance, can work harder for team, gets contract) but not the costs (being caught, banned, fined). So system as it is incentivises riders to dope. Only honesty and health concerns hold people back, the testing regime isn't a big disincentive.

Think of it like speeding in your car. You won't drive fast in front of a speed camera because you know you'll pay. But on a motorway, you might be tempted to break the law because everyone else does and very few get caught. They even allow you a margin to break the speeding laws, just as Petacchi claims he's asthmatic and has to take vast quantities of salbutamol to calm his wheezing lungs.

ddraver

whats that about Armstrong?!

did nt know that..............

top_bhoy

If you tested on the line then that could be evaded also - as Matt Rendell points out in the Pantani book. The haemocrite level can be reduced easily, hence the reason Pantani would often turned up for testing 20-25 mins late. Yes have better race testing but for me it should involve far greater and more intense out of competition testing - particularly among the top riders.

Also, haemocrite levels are not the only evidence of doping - Pantani had normal (ie <50%) levels of haemocrite but the other constituents of the blood were all over the place and definitely abnormal. These other factors shoud be taken into account, the laws changed to suit and more stringent analysis of the blood carried out - if their being serious.

dave_1

Just looked at the GC podium of the Tour De France 2003. A fair result between the 3 of them but really, how many riders lower down were clean? I wonder..there must be some honest riders. My views on doping changed forever this summer. Scrub all the record books of any name associated with doping, bankrupt them, sue them, get all the winnings with inflation included off them, remove them from their homes, sell their property to recover the stolen money if need be, make them homeless if need be, jail them. I'm sick of these cheats. Riis confession achieved little. Omerta will always win until you put the fear of god into the riders. Do you think Herashas hard to apply for jobs, work a single day since his doping ban? I think he will not have had tot and as a highly paid rider I think losing their reputation is something the rider will accept, so long as they are set for life financially. Should someone like Heras or Ullrich be sitting in their nice homes, sports cars and designer clothes when they bought it all with their fraudently obatined earnings? Take their money off them.

We've come a long way since the minor 10 minute penalties for a first doping offence at the 1988 TDF (Rooks said he'd stop and lose 10 minutes if they penalised delagdo-honour amongst thieves?). Still, from 10 minutes penalities to 4 years penalities is good, but riders must fear being fucked badly and treated as a serious criminal

floatman

Dave_1 wrote:

Just looked at the GC podium of the Tour De France 2003. A fair result between the 3 of them but really, how many riders lower down were clean? I wonder..there must be some honest riders. My views on doping changed forever this summer. Scrub all the record books of any name associated with doping, bankrupt them, sue them, get all the winnings with inflation included off them, remove them from their homes, sell their property to recover the stolen money if need be, make them homeless if need be, jail them. I'm sick of these cheats. Riis confession achieved little. Omerta will always win until you put the fear of god into the riders. Do you think Herashas hard to apply for jobs, work a single day since his doping ban? I think he will not have had tot and as a highly paid rider I think losing their reputation is something the rider will accept, so long as they are set for life financially. Should someone like Heras or Ullrich be sitting in their nice homes, sports cars and designer clothes when they bought it all with their fraudently obatined earnings? Take their money off them.

We've come a long way since the minor 10 minute penalties for a first doping offence at the 1988 TDF (Rooks said he'd stop and lose 10 minutes if they penalised delagdo-honour amongst thieves?). Still, from 10 minutes penalities to 4 years penalities is good, but riders must fear being farked badly and treated as a serious criminal

c'mon Dave if the list above and the entire history of cycling says anything it is that doping has been endemic and obviously condoned / supported by teams management, sponsors and even federations unwilling to rock the boat. I am in no way condoning the practice myself but I think you have to recognise the culture that these guys found themselves in.

I agree the Riis confession did little but that was dueto the reaction of ASO who immediately shunned him as an embarassment ... in my opinion they should have welcomed his confession and tried to encourage other past dopers to confess - we need to show that the culture is changing and to do that we have to accept that there was a culture of systematic doping and that 90% or more of the peloton did it and it was genuinely accepted, once we admit to that and recognise it then we can try to rebuild the sport clean. Otherwise how are the riders going to differentiate from old system where everybody publicly denounces doping but condones it in private to new world where everybody denounces doping in public and means it!

spen666

Dave_1 wrote:

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We've come a long way since the minor 10 minute penalties for a first doping offence at the 1988 TDF ...Still, from 10 minutes penalities to 4 years penalities is good, but riders must fear being farked badly and treated as a serious criminal

Bloody hell- if any rider can win the tour or even a stage witha 4 year time penalty, then I suspect they should be tested again for drugs

pdm

Can we have a roll call of best excuses as well - my personal fav's being Raimondas Rumsas camper van load purportedly being for his ailing grandmother, and FVDB's stash being for his dog!!

Kléber

We're doing exactly the same again Dave_1.

We all want to believe in Alberto Contador but people said exactly the same about the fairy tales from Ullrich, Basso, Rasmussen and all the others named above, we even created myths to convince ourselves that we're watching a spectacle: that Vinokourov wins because he's a battler, Museeuw was born with the Flandrian spirit etc and Rasmussen wears shoes a size too small so he can save weight in the mountains and so climb at 1800 VAM. Now Contador is climbing as fast as anyone from the past decade.

If I was Contador, I'd use a fraction of my winnings from July to appoint an independent commission of international judges and charge them with comparing my DNA with that obtained in the Puerto case. Given the team sponsor is quitting in a few months' time and the potentially enormous endorsements available over the duration of a cycling career, there are strong financial incentives for Contador to get proactive and approach everyone to reassure everyone about his innocence.

bigdawg

the joke about he contador accusations is the guy that (supposedly) has the puerto documents with his name in training programmes last night admitted he didnt speak or read a word of spanish... :? although all the docs are of course written in spansih... :oops:

andyp

bigdawg wrote:

the joke about he contador accusations is the guy that (supposedly) has the puerto documents with his name in training programmes last night admitted he didnt speak or read a word of spanish... :? although all the docs are of course written in spansih... :oops:

Why does that invalidate what he's said though? I'm sure he's had them translated. It's not exactly difficult to do is it - you find a translating company, give them the documents to translate then pay them.

Yet more casting of aspersions on a whistleblower in an attempt to discredit what he's got to say.

bigdawg

I hope he has had them properly translated, and if it is in fact the case that AC's guilty, Id be more interested in why he was cleared in court and by the UCI of all charges relating to Puerto...

socrates

Moreni

schlepcycling

Abdoujaparov
Frankie Andreu
Jesper Skibby

timoid.

According to the Cyclisme & Dopage website, there hasn't been a clean Tour podium since 1947 and all pre-war records are sketchy.

Does this mean that there has only ever been one proper podium in the tour?

http://cyclisme.dopage.free.fr/courses/tdf-palmares.htm

edvald BH

off the back wrote:

How much credibility has our sport got ...? How many top riders have tested positive, been involved in investigations ? Please contribute to the list.....

***Convicted of Doping***
I.Basso - Giro - Blood doping
[...]

Cyclisme & Dopage has a comprehensive list (currently 951 pros.), listed alphabetically, but currently with no names (e.g. no. 1 on that list is of course Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, the last one is Alex Zülle):

http://cyclisme.dopage.free.fr/annuaire.htm

Most of the names can be found in archived versions of the site at www.archive.org. This version has 678 named pros:
http://web.petabox.bibalex.org/web/20050120011713/http://cyclisme.dopage.free.fr/annuaire.htm

Eurostar

Blinking flip!

Two questions:

- the list with the names says Armstrong tested positive for corticosteroids in the 99 Tour. I'd completely forgotten that. I read somewhere else he got a backdated TUE for it so was let off. Anything else we should to know about this?

- how do we find out the names behind the 273 anonymous entries on the current list?