Rebadged kit in the pro peloton
Hmmmmmmm,
Look very closely at this image;
Those aren't FSA cranks, but rather cranks from a Japanese manufacturer beginning with S that have been painted black. ( The spider pattern gives it away ). The chainrings are FSA of course.
Rumours also that some of the Specialized Tour bikes in the Quickstep team are actually rebranded Time.
Look very closely at this image;
Those aren't FSA cranks, but rather cranks from a Japanese manufacturer beginning with S that have been painted black. ( The spider pattern gives it away ). The chainrings are FSA of course.
Rumours also that some of the Specialized Tour bikes in the Quickstep team are actually rebranded Time.
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And Planet X's Stealth carbon TT frame is out there too
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grimpeur wrote:
Rumours also that some of the Specialized Tour bikes in the Quickstep team are actually rebranded Time.
It's just the forks that were rebranded Time....not the frames.I'd rather walk than use Shimano0 -
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[/quote]And Planet X's Stealth carbon TT frame is out there too Smile
Who is riding that then?0 -
Cadel Evans TT bike, with different forks.0
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Stage 13 - Saturday, July 21: Albi - Albi, 54km
Cadel...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/ ... F07S13-150Rich0 -
From today:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/ ... TDFS19-015
having watched on TV it is definately the Planet X (and other brands outside the UK) frame with a ridley sticker on the downtube.0 -
Ridley only paint their frames in Belgium - the frames come from Taiwan. The Planet-X and the Dolan TT frames are identical too and obviously come from the same factory in Taiwan as Ridley get theirs.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Yes - I was amused when reading the ProCycling frame 'BUILDERS' guide a couple of years ago that the Ridley portion was full of photos of a paintshop and a barn full of frame sized boxes with MADE IN CHINA printed all over them.
As Del Boy would say - Fabrique Belgique!
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This old nutshell, what is wrong with frame built in the far east.
Most of the chips in the computer that you are reading this on were fabricated in China. Have you been there? The days of made in China being the mark of a cheap low quality product are gone. Companies out in Asia have a hell of a lot more expertise in Carbon Fibre fabrication that the likes of small bike manufacturers in Europe.
I've just ordered a Cervelo which I believe are made in factories in China or Taiwan. The reason I chose a Cervelo over the likes of a Colnago was that the design that goes into Cervelo seems to be much more thorough, as an engineer myself I appreciate this. Maybe you like the notion that you frame has been carefully handcrafted in Italy, some people like that and I have nothing against it. But at the end of the day I just want something that is well designed and rides well, hence I chose the Cervelo.0 -
Planet X and dolan frames are not the same BTW - there is a thread on www.weightweenies.starbike.com which discusses the planet X frame and which other brands also use it. Ridley have their own (differetn) TT frame so it is interesting that Cadel prefers to use the Planet X.0
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grimpeur wrote:This old nutshell, what is wrong with frame built in the far east.
Most of the chips in the computer that you are reading this on were fabricated in China. Have you been there? The days of made in China being the mark of a cheap low quality product are gone. Companies out in Asia have a hell of a lot more expertise in Carbon Fibre fabrication that the likes of small bike manufacturers in Europe.
I've just ordered a Cervelo which I believe are made in factories in China or Taiwan. The reason I chose a Cervelo over the likes of a Colnago was that the design that goes into Cervelo seems to be much more thorough, as an engineer myself I appreciate this. Maybe you like the notion that you frame has been carefully handcrafted in Italy, some people like that and I have nothing against it. But at the end of the day I just want something that is well designed and rides well, hence I chose the Cervelo.
Yes, I have been to Taiwan and to China. I won't be buying any bicycle frames or components made there any time soon. If the environmental and labour issues don't bother you, think of recent news regarding Chinese products: poisonous toothpaste and pet food, tainted sea food, dangerous car tyres, endless counterfeit goods. The next industrial revolution is supposedly to come with the advent of nano engineering, and the revolution in composites from that promises much. Suffice to say that the R&D for this is not likely to come from the far east, no matter how inexperienced our quaint little boutique industries in Europe are.
More importantly; Taiwan is popular as a source of goods because it is cheap to make things there. If there was any advantage to making frames there I'm sure Colnago and Trek would be making (getting made) all their frames there, and not just the lower-end stuff. How can Cervelo, Ridley and all the others justify their frame pricing if they manufacture there? Or is it that cyclists are gullible?0 -
I agree with pliptrop having had a Chinese made Ti frame fail on meAn MTBer, but with skinny wheel tendencies...0
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I am an electronics engineer and work in the semiconductor business doing IP design. I work daily with engineers from China. I would much rather work with them than colleagues in America or other parts of mainland Europe as they are generally better educated and have a better attitude. Your description of China and Asia in general as some sort of backwater is bother insulting and ignorant. Asian companies lead the way in composite design and manufacture.
And yes cyclists are gullible, Colnago, De Rosa and others exploit this when they try to convince you that your bike frame has added value because it was made in Europe.0 -
Insulting? Yes. Ignorant? No. The facts speak for themselves. China has an unenviable record of intellectual property theft, counterfeiting and poor quality. I understand now why you keep banging on about ICs from China, but that bears no comparison with cycle manufacture, as you well know.
If, for no other reason than to see the environmental vandalism that China visits on the world each day, go and live in Beijing for a year. With all those well educated people you mention. I must admit; I see your wind-up on that one.0 -
If Chinese made bikes are so superior, and those who buy Italian made bikes gullibe, how come you've just paid Colnago/De Rosa prices for a Cervelo frame made, if I'm not mistaken, in the Far East?grimpeur wrote:And yes cyclists are gullible, Colnago, De Rosa and others exploit this when they try to convince you that your bike frame has added value because it was made in Europe.
Seems there are quite a few gullible people around!0 -
grimpeur wrote:. Companies out in Asia have a hell of a lot more expertise in Carbon Fibre fabrication that the likes of small bike manufacturers in Europe..
That sounds like reverse snobbery to me. Colnago have been making carbon fibre frames for over twenty years....admitedly they got a little help from Ferrari....a small car manufacturer in Europe.I'd rather walk than use Shimano0
