Contador & Evans - Clean?
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Now that Rasmussen is out the media's attention will no doubt turn to Contador and probably Evans too. Does anyone know if they have skeletons in the closet? I know that Contador was implicated in Operation Puerto and that Evans has links with Ferrari but don't know if anything was proved or disproved.
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Don't think Evans has links to Dr F.
That would've been Mick Rogers.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
I certainly belive Evans is clear, cannot recall any past whispers about him whatsoever to be fair to the bloke .. Contador, former liberty rider ( under saiz ) MAY be a different issue .. only time will tell0
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No idea and I guess someone will find some kind of dirt one on or the other or both in the coming days. I always like young talented riders so I'd like to see Contador doing well but then it would also be great to see an Aussie win it so maybe i'll route for Evans!!0
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I really hope that Evans is clean. It's just a gut reaction, but he just looks like someone who trains hard and still suffers mightily on the hills. He doesn't pull out those extraordinary, eyebrow-raising performances that make you think, 'hang on, that's not possible'.
As for Contador...who knows.0 -
Boonen said in his latest comment that he reckons Evans is clean.0
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Contador dancing on the pedals like nobody's business doesn't fill me with confidence, nor does Bruyneel0
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Not Contador though. Significant?
It's Contador I have most doubts about given his previous links.[/quote]0 -
another thread of guilty by association.... :x
x riders grandma once shook hands with riis................guilty...
he did well in a really hard stage.... :? Someones got to bloody win it, hes a climbing specialist...!!! Did anyone think the sprinters were doped because they won the sprinting stages?? Wiggins is now associated with a doped team, are you going to question everything he does in the future??
Or are we just going to go back through the peleton until we can find someone wed like to win??dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Are you ever going to lift your head from the sand?bigdawg wrote:another thread of guilty by association.... :x
x riders grandma once shook hands with riis................guilty...
he did well in a really hard stage.... :? Someones got to bloody win it, hes a climbing specialist...!!! Did anyone think the sprinters were doped because they won the sprinting stages?? Wiggins is now associated with a doped team, are you going to question everything he does in the future??
Or are we just going to go back through the peleton until we can find someone wed like to win??
I have no doubt in my mind that Contador has doped in his career. I don't know if he has this season but he rode for Saiz's teams in the past so I'm certain he did then. Given Discovery/US Postal's stance on doping then I'd hazard a guess that all has not been above board this season either. He was named in the original Operacion Puerto dossier but was personally 'cleared' by Fuentes. Like any one really believes that?
It's odd that rumours persist that both Valverde and Contador were up to their necks in Puerto but that they were 'cleansed' from the dossier by the Spanish authorities. There's only one way to prove this either way - publish the entire dossier assembled in Puerto and do DNA tests on all the blood that was seized.0 -
Contador is dirty
Discovery is institutionally dirty
Bruyneel is dirty
Leipheimer is dirty
I don't know about Evans, but if he's clean I tip my hat to the whining, high pitched ugly troll, because to get so close to so many dirty riders is incredible.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
We both know THAT's not gonna happen Andy.
Contador's more suspect than anyone else in the top 5 IMO.
Evan's may well be clean but then we know that Ras was too. no-one has any evidence to the contrary. Missed tests? Maybe but he was within the rules of the sport so no case to answer.
this whole business is an effin disaster.Usquequaque in Ventus
Just once I would like to be called "Sir", without someone adding "You\'re making a scene".0 -
Timoid. wrote:Contador is dirty
Discovery is institutionally dirty
Bruyneel is dirty
Leipheimer is dirty
I don't know about Evans, but if he's clean I tip my hat to the whining, high pitched ugly troll, because to get so close to so many dirty riders is incredible.
Pip Gilbert is dirty too.
Prove me wrong.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Timoid. wrote:Contador is dirty
Discovery is institutionally dirty
Bruyneel is dirty
Leipheimer is dirty
Show me the evidence of that? I'd love to see it... Isn't their something libal about comments like this?0 -
as Ive said in another thread, my job depends on facts, if I based all my work on hearsay, rumour and the opinion of others Id be fired in an instant.
I dont have my head in the sand I just need proof of whats being said here and Ill believe it, trouble is in this sport you cant prove youre innocent, which is a really sad situation.dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Moose11 wrote:Timoid. wrote:Contador is dirty
Discovery is institutionally dirty
Bruyneel is dirty
Leipheimer is dirty
Show me the evidence of that? I'd love to see it... Isn't their something libal about comments like this?
1. Contador rode for LS when the whole team was being treated by Fuentes, he now rides for Discovery, see 2. His power output on Monday's stage was more than humanly possible.
2. Andreau and Vaughters have both said as much and three ex disco riders have been busted. Armstrong's positive for EPO in 99 and complete lack of hormone levels in a test in 01. Post date corticoid presciptions, using massuers as mules, hiding bags of syringes in motorway skips.
3. Alex Zulle said that ALL of the ONCE squad of the 90s were on gear, Bruyneel included.
4. He's a Disco rider.
If you don't like what I say sue me.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Evans come over as 'clean in this interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FytpwtvZ-4Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom0 -
iainf72 wrote:Timoid. wrote:Contador is dirty
Discovery is institutionally dirty
Bruyneel is dirty
Leipheimer is dirty
I don't know about Evans, but if he's clean I tip my hat to the whining, high pitched ugly troll, because to get so close to so many dirty riders is incredible.
Pip Gilbert is dirty too.
Prove me wrong.
Can't prove you wrong, but there isn't even circumsantial evidence to point towards guilt. He works in a team for a guy who has campaigned for years for a clean sport and who was regarded by his peers as a monsieur propre.
Question (a silly one I know):
The Devil is holding your wife over a burning pit and says to you: "pick me a rider from amongst these men that is clean and I'll spare her. Answer wrong and I'll chuck the trouble in the burning drink"
He then points to a group of guys: Leipheimer, Contador, Gilbert, Rasmusen and a mid 1990's Bruyneel (he's the devil, he can do these things). Who do you pick?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
is this before or after she claims a headache..??
dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
bigdawg wrote:as Ive said in another thread, my job depends on facts, if I based all my work on hearsay, rumour and the opinion of others Id be fired in an instant.
I dont have my head in the sand I just need proof of whats being said here and Ill believe it, trouble is in this sport you cant prove youre innocent, which is a really sad situation.
No, but there are steps riders can take to increase our confidence in them - some riders seem willing to take those steps, such as Boonen etc.0 -
Timoid. wrote:iainf72 wrote:Timoid. wrote:The Devil is holding your wife over a burning pit and says to you: "pick me a rider from amongst these men that is clean and I'll spare her. Answer wrong and I'll chuck the trouble in the burning drink"
He then points to a group of guys: Leipheimer, Contador, Gilbert, Rasmusen and a mid 1990's Bruyneel (he's the devil, he can do these things). Who do you pick?
Anyone but Gilbert- I'd never give you the satisfaction.
:P
For some reason, I don't like the "clean" riders. Its my old rock and roll background, people who don't take drugs aren't cool.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
This is what the geezer at cycling4all had to say about Contador and Puerto two days ago. I'd like to understand it because he seems to be reliable. Apologies for his English! I think he's Dutch. Can anyone tell us what he's getting at? is it new info? Could it lead to a witch-hunt if/when Contador gets the yellow jersey today?
24.07 - C
(Again) question marks behind the "cleaning operation" of the UCI of a.o. Alberto Contador Velasco (= team Bruyneel)
in the Fuentes case (Sueddeutsche Zeitung)
The article is referring to document no. 31 of the Guardia Civil OP investigation. (see file - page 32); with the text:
En el documento 31 se localizan unas anotaciones con el título "INDIVIDUALIZACIÓN" en el que se identifican a distintos corredores del equipo LIBERTY por sus iniciales: RH (Roberto HERAS), MS (Marcos SERRANO), JB (Joseba BELOKI), IG (Igor GONZÁLEZ), AV (Ángel VICIOSO), JJ (Jorg JAKSCHE), AD (Allan DAVIS), L. (sin identificar), AC (Alberto CONTADOR)
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In document 31 some annotations are located with the title "INDIVIDUALIZATION" in which are identified different riders of team LIBERTY by their initials: RH (Roberto HERAS), MS (Marcos SERRANO), JB (Joseba BELOKI), IG (Igor GONZÁLEZ), AV (Ángel VICIOSO), JJ (Jorg JAKSCHE), AD (Allan DAVIS), L. (unidentified), AC (Alberto CONTADOR).
This document could well be a Liberty medication plan for 2005. Next to the initials AC appears a handwritten note:
�Nada o igual a J.J." = Nothing or like J.J. Jörg Jaksche of course has recently admitted to be J.J.
Initially the name of Alberto Contador was on the "Black List" of Operacion Puerto, but was disappeared from that list after last years Tour (Bruyneel - HLN)
The newspaper is claiming that a deal was made between the investigators and some riders involved. Contador should have been acted as a witness, demanding in return his deletion from the Fuentes list. And this should explain how in Spain Contador quickly disappeared from the agenda, similarly to the shelved case of Valverde (according to SZ).<hr>
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Timod...
I will second everything you say and claim in this instance.
No one gets 'caught' at Team USP / Disco, its only when you leave that things start going wrong.0 -
bigdawg wrote:another thread of guilty by association.... :x
x riders grandma once shook hands with riis................guilty...
he did well in a really hard stage.... :? Someones got to bloody win it, hes a climbing specialist...!!! Did anyone think the sprinters were doped because they won the sprinting stages?? Wiggins is now associated with a doped team, are you going to question everything he does in the future??
Or are we just going to go back through the peleton until we can find someone wed like to win??
The clue is in the consistency or lack of the way they ride. No normal person be it elite or sunday am TT er changes their performance that drastically, even with a hangover. I have the results to prove it. Actualy racing yourself helps you to much more easily judge who looks clean and who is obviously not.0 -
I think Contador's stools are about to hit the fan. ASO gave a press conf this morning and said that everyone suspicious would be investigated and that 'innocent until proven guilty' was no longer the case. Then they were asked why nobody's in yellow today, and didn't answer. Mike the stats man on Eurosport thought their silence was most significant.
I think it's safe to assume that ASO are asking lots of questions about Contador behind the scenes. And that he isn't in yellow today because they are suspicious.
What say you?<hr>
<h6>What\'s the point of going out? We\'re just going to end up back here anyway</h6>0 -
theguys on the podium will be the last three left.. :shock:dont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
now this is one guythat should be chucked off the tour...
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/070726/2/u7ny.htmldont knock on death\'s door.....
Ring the bell and leg it...that really pi**es him off....0 -
Going back a few posts.....bigdawg the reason they are being asked to prove their innocence before any evidence is available is because we all know that 'never testing positive in 500 tests this week' doesn't mean you don't dope. This is now an established fact and no longer a good enough excuse in the face of scrutiny. Even Armstrong who has consistently used the 'I never failed a dope control' line despite the '99 and '01 samples that Timoid referred to has had a pop at Rassmussen for being daft enough to give ASO and the UCI the chance to get rid of him.0
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Blimey bigdawg - we're in agreement for once!bigdawg wrote:now this is one guythat should be chucked off the tour...
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/070726/2/u7ny.html0
