DICOVERY Channel the biggest hypocrits of them all !!

steveaguy130169
steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
edited July 2007 in Pro race
so you belive discovery are whiter than white ??? mmm
why are most people forgetting ALL pro tour teams agreed not to sign Basso then WHO broke that pact ... definatly not to be trusted
remind me again .. were did Hamilton and Landis Hail from ?????????????????

Did armstrong not use Ferrari ?
Buynell - former once rider ?

How short memories are around here !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Please go back under your bridge.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    iainf72 wrote:
    Please go back under your bridge.
    So you think they,re clean
    You really are looking thru rose tinted specs there
    facxe the truth man for christs sake !
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Ok. I don't know the score coz I'm an idiot.

    But luckily you're here to fill me in.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Moose11
    Moose11 Posts: 235
    steve why did you start a new topic for this? You're already talking about it in another topic saying the same things so why start another? :? :roll:
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  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    hey i bet you,ve got all the disco kit have,nt you !
    i,m all for fairplay, but to me they,re a case of glass houses and stones to be honest.... even t mobiles strict terms didnt appear to work, so i certainly dont have full confidence in discovery at all... ( with their past record ! ) what bugs me is all their fans shouting about whiter than white.. lets face it theres cheats in most teams they just have tobe caught !
  • Moose11
    Moose11 Posts: 235
    http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopi ... 9#14550069

    Scroll to the bottom of that page. a very simular topic to this is already being discussed. Wait a minute, you should know about that!
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  • peejay78
    peejay78 Posts: 3,378
    judging by your spelling and grammar, i think you're on drugs.
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  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    why bother bloods the new thing haha !
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    steveaguy130169 wrote:
    hey i bet you,ve got all the disco kit have,nt you !

    I have not, no. I don't really cycle at the moment.

    Anyway, I probably know more about this stuff than you to be honest.

    Registering as a new user on a forum and immediately launching into some kind of bizarre rant with badly typed messages just identifies you as a troll.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Moose11
    Moose11 Posts: 235
    I do have a discovery kit. I liked it when it came out and bought it and wore it last night actually. Why what team kits do you have exactly? Come on.. Share..

    I'm even one of the few that likes this Tours Discovery kit and would buy it if I got the chance.
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  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    hehe a trol is technically a smallish dwarf and i,m 6,4 and if you dont ride . get your arse off that chair and do some !
    and anyhow i thought this was a cycle forum not for personal attacks you font of wisdom you !
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I don't think I resorted to personal attacks. It's not really my thing.

    Anyway, I'll shut up now.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    iainf72 wrote:
    I don't think I resorted to personal attacks. It's not really my thing.

    Anyway, I'll shut up now.

    no probs a truce be called !
    just a difference of opinion .and thats healthy !
  • Earthbound
    Earthbound Posts: 109
    Moose11 wrote:
    steve why did you start a new topic for this? You're already talking about it in another topic saying the same things so why start another? :? :roll:

    The other topic is titled 'Rasmussen out' This topic is about Discovery Channels long list of former, major, riders who have been banned from the sport.

    If you want to discuss Rasmussen go to the other topic, if you wnat to discuss Discovery's alleged associations with doping - this is the place.
  • Moose11
    Moose11 Posts: 235
    He took the first post in this topic from a previous post he made in the other topic and pasted it in here. I dont think it really needed it's own topic, theres enough about doping and well 4 or 5 people had responded to it over there.
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  • ajohn9
    ajohn9 Posts: 260
    Excluding ivan Basso, can you tell me one disco/postal rider whos tested positive under Bruyneel?
  • Earthbound
    Earthbound Posts: 109
    ajohn9 wrote:
    Excluding ivan Basso, can you tell me one disco/postal rider whos tested positive under Bruyneel?

    Basso did not fail ANY tests during his time at Discovery. Neither did Hamilton, Landis or Hears, or any other rider that I can recall.
  • ajohn9
    ajohn9 Posts: 260
    Well there you go then!
    whats this fella who created this thread going on about then?!
  • Ste_S
    Ste_S Posts: 1,173
    Disco riders are dodgy and over hyped by the American press ?

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  • ajohn9
    ajohn9 Posts: 260
    but how are they "dodgy"?
  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    ajohn9 wrote:
    but how are they "dodgy"?

    ajohn9 the point i was making was ALL pro tour teams made an agreement stating BASSO would NOT be signed by them due to the them ongoing case ... who broke this pact .............. ? DISCOVERY Channel
    Also Disc /UPS were well aware that armstrong was working with Ferrari and Hamilton with Checini , not exactly pillars of the cycling community yet allowed this to go on

    Contador came from a cloud of suspicion ( liberty ) . the basso thing left a bad taste in most teams taste and belive me most would certainly now prefer Evans to win. yes Heras, Hamilton and Landis were CAUGHT after leaving discovery but thats a big coincidence !
    Ithe signing of Baso was nieve at best , and its not the first tim UPS/Discovery have been accussed..
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Hamilton only started working with Ceccho when he went to CSC
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • steveaguy130169
    steveaguy130169 Posts: 44
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hamilton only started working with Ceccho when he went to CSC

    BUT WHAT Of Armstrongs work with Ferrari ? and the Basso signing ? even the staunchest of Disco fans can defend this can they ? surely not ?
  • Moose11
    Moose11 Posts: 235
    steveaguy130169 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hamilton only started working with Ceccho when he went to CSC

    BUT WHAT Of Armstrongs work with Ferrari ? and the Basso signing ? even the staunchest of Disco fans can defend this can they ? surely not ?

    Steve what team do you support? What jerseys do you have and what rider is your favourite?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    steveaguy130169 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Hamilton only started working with Ceccho when he went to CSC

    BUT WHAT Of Armstrongs work with Ferrari ? and the Basso signing ? even the staunchest of Disco fans can defend this can they ? surely not ?

    Sure- Lance worked with Ferrari after Eddy Merckx introduced him. No big secret.

    Basso signing. It was a risk that didn't pay off. There was no rules being broken in signing him, save a "gentlemens agreement" between the teams. Couldn't you argue that maintaining the omerta is a gentlemens agreement too? If we're going to be sticklers for rules, lets apply all rules evenly.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ajohn9
    ajohn9 Posts: 260
    I was just saying that none of their riders have ever tested positive whilst being under Bruyneel, but an opinion is an opinion.
  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    I think any rider who has worked with Ferrari must be assumed to be guilty - if I hire a gardener it's because I want gardening work done, if I hire a car mechanic it's because I want some work done on my car. Ferrari is a sports doctor with a record of producing results by doping.
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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Without going over old discussions, the only reason that a lot of the information doesn't get a lot of debate is the fear of Mr Armstrong's lawyers - take the 'allegations' made by the Andreus in the Tailwind sports case for example. To say that 'no positives' is a demonstration of being clean is laughable - Rasmussen hasn't tested positive either. So what was it that made Hamilton and Landis ride so well with USPS/Disco and resort to drugs when not? C'mon, let's face it, the last clean winner was probably Lemond in 1991 - but we all know what certain people's reaction to him has been.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • aarw
    aarw Posts: 448
    Tom Butcher wrote:
    I think any rider who has worked with Ferrari must be assumed to be guilty - if I hire a gardener it's because I want gardening work done, if I hire a car mechanic it's because I want some work done on my car. Ferrari is a sports doctor with a record of producing results by doping.

    Bingo!
  • skut
    skut Posts: 371
    Monty Dog wrote:
    Without going over old discussions, the only reason that a lot of the information doesn't get a lot of debate is the fear of Mr Armstrong's lawyers - take the 'allegations' made by the Andreus in the Tailwind sports case for example. To say that 'no positives' is a demonstration of being clean is laughable - Rasmussen hasn't tested positive either. So what was it that made Hamilton and Landis ride so well with USPS/Disco and resort to drugs when not? C'mon, let's face it, the last clean winner was probably Lemond in 1991 - but we all know what certain people's reaction to him has been.

    I completely agree - the riders have to take positive steps to demonstrate that they are clean. Not just hide behind the "I have never tested positive" line.

    And Lemond won in 1990.

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