Kloden new Astana leader ?
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He should have been at the beginning anyway and especially once he did so well in the prologue . I could never understand how he was willing to work for Vino when he's clearly the better rider. But now he'll have to be leader. He'll take a minute out of vino in each of the timetrials and is likely to be more consistent climbing. He's a class act and a shoe-in for the yellow jersey baring accident and positive tests.
Of course you have to have pretty strong suspicions about anyone in that team...0 -
Doubts about whether Klodi will start tomorrow... suspected fractured coccyx:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/12072007/ ... doubt.html0 -
Hoho- soon it might be the all out-climbers for yellow...in which case...
Moreau, Mayo and Sastre will duel it out
Where do I get these fantasies from :?:0 -
We can say all we want about his boring strategy and possibility of shifty business, but riding 75kms on a fractured coccyx would get him respect points in my book.0
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fractured coccyx
OUCH!!!0 -
Ouch exactly.It was interesting to hear Chris Boardmans comments on the Vino carry on.How there was a Barrage to stop him using team cars to get back,while other teams didn't have that problem.
Someone mentioned Chelsea I think more Man Ure as some people like Chelski.Why can't we just admire these lads till prven otherwise.Vino will be Mr angry now and I still wouldn't bet against him,all in all the tour is coming alive.Hope Kloden is ok.0 -
Bummer for Klodi.
I hope he can carry on.0 -
Can you please explain to me
How can someone with a fractured coccyx ride 75km on a carbon fibre bike and not lose any time on the GC?
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pedalpower wrote:He should have been at the beginning anyway and especially once he did so well in the prologue . I could never understand how he was willing to work for Vino when he's clearly the better rider. But now he'll have to be leader. He'll take a minute out of vino in each of the timetrials and is likely to be more consistent climbing. He's a class act and a shoe-in for the yellow jersey baring accident and positive tests.
Of course you have to have pretty strong suspicions about anyone in that team...
The fact that Vino is big mates with the Kazakh govt who have clearly persuaded some serious "state" organisations' money sponsoring the team might have something to do with it...0 -
Vino will always be the team leader unless he gets really injured.
Don't forget it was his mates that put together the funding for the team in the first place.
Kloden is used to playing second fiddle, after all he did it for Ullrich for long enough.0 -
Vino and Klodi are also good mates now they go shooting together in the winter,I hope there both ok.0
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Didn't Klodi break his coccyx in 2003 (I seem to recall it in Hollentour). Twice unlucky!
And things happen in threes!It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
campagchris wrote:Vino and Klodi are also good mates now they go shooting together in the winter,I hope there both ok.
so what would be the result if they both managed to win with identical times..?0 -
jibi wrote:Can you please explain to me
How can someone with a fractured coccyx ride 75km on a carbon fibre bike and not lose any time on the GC?
george
Because these guys are hard as nails and suffer for a living. Look at Hamilton in 2003 (I know he was doping but that does make the pain go away)Twitter: @RichN950 -
pedalpower wrote:I could never understand how he was willing to work for Vino when he's clearly the better rider.
Of course you have to have pretty strong suspicions about anyone in that team...
I think Klöden left T-Mobile for Astana because personality-wise he didn't fit in with T-Mobile (too much a loner) or with their priorities (Ulrich still a topic at the time Klöden signed for Astana and Klöden stating T-Mobile’s plans didn’t match his ambitions), though there are also rumours about the doping side, as if T-Mobile frightened him when they decided to go ‘straight’.
But evenso, he probably de-valued himself joining Astana as substitute.0 -
I read Vino is the more likely to have problems than Klöden tomorrow – Vino has stitches in both knees. Seems he crashed because his chain jumped (immediately followed by a minor collision with a motorbike when in a state of unbalance).
Klöden is supposed to have a hairline fracture of the coccyx, and bruises on the thigh, after touching the wheel of the man in front and veering off left into a road verge swale. Eurosport showed him in the swale.
If eventually Klöden does better than Vino, I don’t think it will make that much difference to the sponsors (in the end what does it matter who scores for Arsenal or Chelsea if they win), it’s probably more a matter of pride and ambition to Vino than anything else.0 -
Kloden has a broken tail bone so doubt he will start
The Astana team had a major setback on Thursday when their two GC contenders, Alexandre Vinokourov and Andreas Klöden crashed in separate incidents. Andreas Klöden was the first to go down, having touched a wheel of the rider in front when the peloton slowed suddenly. He fell into a roadside ditch, but managed to rejoin the peloton with the help of his team-mate Daniele Navarro. Post-race he was taken to hospital in Autun where X-rays revealed a fracture in his tail bone, which he had already broken in 2003.0 -
I'm pretty sure Kloeden did damage his coccyx back in 2003 and had to retire once the Tour hit the bigger hills. Presumably they'll just be praying for no more bad luck on today's flat stage and then see how people go on Saturday's jaunt across those big pointy things called mountains.
Has anyone worked out why Vino fell? Was it an altercation with a motorbike as was being suggested yesterday?
It's at times like these that you begin to lean towards the riders who've managed to keep the lowest of low profiles – Leipheimer, Moreau, Menchov all seem to be hiding away inconspicuously in the bunch.0 -
Kloden and Vino both at the start this morning. Vino left hospital at 23.45. Kloden has hairline fracture of Coccyx so we'll see how he goes when we hit the big mountains this weekend.0
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I'd say that Team Evil are screwed. Who are the favourites now? What will the bookies make of it all? It seems that odds on Valverde and Evans have shortened a lot since I last checked. When did this happen? Was it after the crashes? http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports ... win-market<hr>
<h6>What\'s the point of going out? We\'re just going to end up back here anyway</h6>0 -
Iv'e been and put a mars bar each way on Thomas Dekker and Vladimir Karpets
but Vino has big cojones0
