DeRosa trial ride.
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Words fail me! Evans selling De Rosa's. Whatever next? Bikehut selling Serottas? lol
They are certainly not worthy of selling such a prestige brand surely. And anyone in their right minds wouldn't surely buy one from them. Good God! 0 -
Words fail me! Evans selling De Rosa's. Whatever next? Bikehut selling Serottas? lol They are certainly not worthy of selling such a prestige brand surely. And anyone in their right minds wouldn't surely buy one from them. Good God! 0
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ok, the Parlee was boll0cks... but there you go. last time i spoke to an evans member of staff I had to explain what a tubular tyre was - they genuinely did not know.0
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lol! Good grief! 0
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Hey better get down there GM. You were looking to replace the Argon 18 weren't you?- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I\'m only escaping to here because the office is having a conniption0 -
yeah yeah rusty cos I was!
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Some UK bike shops don't allow test rides because they can't get appropriate insurance. This often the case if they are on a busy main road. So don't necessarily blame they shop.'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0
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I agree its frustrating not being able to test ride before buying a £4k bike. But realistically think about it. If I ride a 55cm bike, should I expect them to have one in stock for testing? Should my mate who rides a 53 also expect them to have one for him? Probably not, the best you'd expect is a small one, a medium one and a large one. If the medium one happened to be a 56cm one, then my road test amounts to nothing - it'll feel to big. If i expect them to have say 6 sizes of each type of bike for testing, then its a hell of a lot of stock and floor space tied up for roadtest machines, that are taken out on a whim by windowshoppers, who say "Nah, i prefer a cervelo". At that price, they all feel good - I don't believe that one make v the other will feel better or worse - its all down to which brand you want to buy. One might have steeper angles or a different top tube length or whatever, but this info can be gleaned from the geometry tables.
So, realistically, you don't need a test ride and its a lot to ask to expect one.
However, if you're a valued existing customer, the shop may decide to accommodate you, but they see too many (non-serious) customers who mess them around.
Before you say you expect a test by spending all that money, what about people who buy houses off-plan. Its the most they'll ever spend and they don't even get a visual inspection.0 -
pigman wrote:I agree its frustrating not being able to test ride before buying a £4k bike. But realistically think about it. If I ride a 55cm bike, should I expect them to have one in stock for testing? Should my mate who rides a 53 also expect them to have one for him? Probably not, the best you'd expect is a small one, a medium one and a large one. If the medium one happened to be a 56cm one, then my road test amounts to nothing - it'll feel to big. If i expect them to have say 6 sizes of each type of bike for testing, then its a hell of a lot of stock and floor space tied up for roadtest machines, that are taken out on a whim by windowshoppers, who say "Nah, i prefer a cervelo". At that price, they all feel good - I don't believe that one make v the other will feel better or worse - its all down to which brand you want to buy. One might have steeper angles or a different top tube length or whatever, but this info can be gleaned from the geometry tables.
So, realistically, you don't need a test ride and its a lot to ask to expect one.
However, if you're a valued existing customer, the shop may decide to accommodate you, but they see too many (non-serious) customers who mess them around.
Before you say you expect a test by spending all that money, what about people who buy houses off-plan. Its the most they'll ever spend and they don't even get a visual inspection.
I take the point... but ... (just to continue this thread ) ... you can re-sell a house usually for a profit (indeed the widespread buying off-plan is precisely because of the rising market...). Same isn't true for a bike or a car ... once it leaves the showroom it incurs a big hit of depreciation.
A big firm like Evans should be able to support a reasonably large fleet of test bikes. It's a lot harder for smaller guys I imagine. They could (and perhaps should) charge for test rides, but realistically lots of the bikes would only be ridden a very small number of times so it might still not make much £ sense.
Tricky one. What we really want is a massive high-end bike chain with low prices and lots of stock and tester bikes and great mechanics!0 -
I've essentially said my piece on the bike test bit, but if you really think a mistake on the house buying front is favourable to buying the wrong bike, then wake up man. House prices might be rising, but not at what they did say 5 yrs ago.
If say a family buy the "wrong" house at £250k, then these would be the costs involved
estate agent fees @ a nominal 2% £5k
stamp duty costs £12.5k
HIP thingy thats now needed
solictors
surveyors
mortgage admin fees/changes
removal men
tidying up/keeping tidy to accommodate viewers
being available for viewing
effect on family/workplace/changing schools for kids
being let down because of fall-throughs up/down the chain
then question, why your house is the "wrong" house. - bad neighbours, bus stop in front of your house, the new road they said would serve the estate is a ratrun etc - in other words, never mind a profit, you're looking at depreciation.
Even if the DeRosa buy is a mistake, whats the maximum loss - probably £2k tops. Sorry to drone on a bit, but someone I know experienced exactly what I've more or less written.0 -
wildmoustache wrote:pigman wrote:I agree its frustrating not being able to test ride before buying a £4k bike. But realistically think about it. If I ride a 55cm bike, should I expect them to have one in stock for testing? Should my mate who rides a 53 also expect them to have one for him? Probably not, the best you'd expect is a small one, a medium one and a large one. If the medium one happened to be a 56cm one, then my road test amounts to nothing - it'll feel to big. If i expect them to have say 6 sizes of each type of bike for testing, then its a hell of a lot of stock and floor space tied up for roadtest machines, that are taken out on a whim by windowshoppers, who say "Nah, i prefer a cervelo". At that price, they all feel good - I don't believe that one make v the other will feel better or worse - its all down to which brand you want to buy. One might have steeper angles or a different top tube length or whatever, but this info can be gleaned from the geometry tables.
So, realistically, you don't need a test ride and its a lot to ask to expect one.
However, if you're a valued existing customer, the shop may decide to accommodate you, but they see too many (non-serious) customers who mess them around.
Before you say you expect a test by spending all that money, what about people who buy houses off-plan. Its the most they'll ever spend and they don't even get a visual inspection.
I take the point... but ... (just to continue this thread ) ... you can re-sell a house usually for a profit (indeed the widespread buying off-plan is precisely because of the rising market...). Same isn't true for a bike or a car ... once it leaves the showroom it incurs a big hit of depreciation.
A big firm like Evans should be able to support a reasonably large fleet of test bikes. It's a lot harder for smaller guys I imagine. They could (and perhaps should) charge for test rides, but realistically lots of the bikes would only be ridden a very small number of times so it might still not make much £ sense.
Tricky one. What we really want is a massive high-end bike chain with low prices and lots of stock and tester bikes and great mechanics!
you're changing your ground here though Buying off-plan is largely a symptom of a rapidly rising market in which people are keen to snap up new properties and feel that between their agreeing the purchase price and moving in there is likely to be some appreciation. In a very slow market developers sell nothing like the same proportion of properties off-plan. trust me on that one please ... it's true.
I agree with your point in the latest post that buying the "wrong" property is potentially a very costly mistake, although again, in a rising market there is the prospect of appreciation to offset this. There is NO prospect of appreciation whatsoever with a bike.
But what's the answer, that people shouldn't be allowed to test ride bikes (and cars presumably by the same logic) simply because they can't test-live houses? That seems twisted logic to me. Bikes are inherently more testable than houses.0 -
wildmoustache wrote:that people shouldn't be allowed to test ride bikes simply because they can't test-live houses? That seems twisted logic to me. Bikes are inherently more testable than houses.
where did that one come from? Desperation I guess!
no way should it not be allowed - if its legal and agreeable by both parties, then lets have it. What i said was that I think (remember its only my opinion) that one shouldn't realistically expect a bike test every time. Its not always feasible.
The house test analogy was made to say that you're only buying a bike (for yourself) - other people take bigger and more important risks (both financially and emotionally and involving their families) with house purchases where there is less to see at the point of purchase.
For what its worth, if you're in doubt with either the bike shop or manufacturer, move on to another shop/brand. You may have problems in enlisting their help if things do go wrong, once you're the owner (and for heavens sake, remember - its only a bike!)
ps - just heard Steve Wright on Radio 2 say house price inflation this last month was 0.7%. Gross this up for 6 months (the time it will take to realise its a bad house) and its probably a £12k appreciation. Take off the costs I identified previously, and I can't see any profit. I'm not looking at home ownership in the longer term - longer term would imply the house its basically ok, the downsides would be niggles.0 -
your comment was: "Before you say you expect a test by spending all that money, what about people who buy houses off-plan. Its the most they'll ever spend and they don't even get a visual inspection."
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you mean by this is that people shouldn't expect a test ride for a bike on the grounds that it's expensive because they can't test-live houses and they are also expensive.
Or is the analogy just meant to obfuscate?0 -
sort of, but not entirely. What I suppose I meant was to put it all in context. Why the big issue with the bike, when decisions are made with the house on far less to go on!wildmoustache wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but what you mean by this is that people shouldn't expect a test ride for a bike on the grounds that it's expensive because they can't test-live houses and they are also expensive.
sorry mate, but I'll be honest. - I'm a bit of a thicko .. what does this mean?wildmoustache wrote:Or is the analogy just meant to obfuscate?
anyway thanks for the banter, no hard feelings tho' eh? Got some work to do, so I'll leave you to it for now.
as a by the way, my mates got a derosa king, record throughout. He's welll chuffed with it.0 -
ok, let's call time on this .... just thinking ... the irony of this thread might be that the only place in the UK you can test ride a De Rosa Idol is Evans 0
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ok, let's call time on this .... just thinking ... the irony of this thread might be that the only place in the UK you can test ride a De Rosa Idol is Evans 0
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ok, let's call time on this .... just thinking ... the irony of this thread might be that the only place in the UK you can test ride a De Rosa Idol is Evans 0
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wildmoustache wrote:
at the same evans i also saw a Parlee with a Clavicula chainset and Lightweight Generation 2 wheels.
Ha ha. I also saw Eddy Merckx's hour record bike being ridden in backwards circles by one of the mechanics there.0 -
[quote="wildmoustache"]ok, let's call time on this .... just thinking ... the irony of this thread might be that the only place in the UK you can test ride a De Rosa Idol is Evans[/quote]
Good grief - what a thought! :?0 -
The only place I have seen an idol for sale is in Bike Hut in Brighton, what is the world coming to, really makes me want to bin the day job and open my bike shop in Kingston.0
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georgee wrote:The only place I have seen an idol for sale is in Bike Hut in Brighton, what is the world coming to, really makes me want to bin the day job and open my bike shop in Kingston.
was that the one that was squeezed in amongst all the confidis replica Time TT bikes? At the time I visited a mechanic was fitting panniers and a horn.0 -
Actually Rutland Cycles have an Idol in there, built up with Chorus and I think Racing 1s, in fact they have an Avant as well.0
