name me italian frame builders??

currieinahurry
currieinahurry Posts: 2,695
edited June 2007 in Workshop
derosa
colnago
casati
pinarello
bianchi

tikka

hi my name is adam... and i have a problem with posting on cycling forums.
hi my name is adam... and i have a problem with posting on cycling forums.

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  • Battaglin
    Moser
    Ciocc

    Nobody ever got laid because they were using Shimano
  • southlaker
    southlaker Posts: 1,199
    Pegoretti
    Tommasini
  • Wilier
    Viner
    Passoni
    Nevi (hmm - lovely)
    Scapin
    Gios
    Daccordi
    Basso (Marino not Ivan)
    SAB
    Somec
  • PhilAcp
    PhilAcp Posts: 244
    Kuota (born out of Sintema)
    Bernadi
    www.brightonmitre.co.uk
  • CBT Italia. IMHO as good as any of the classic steel builders, just that hardly ever seen in UK. And their latest carbon stuff is lovely!

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  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,057
    Bottecchia
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  • acorn_user
    acorn_user Posts: 1,137
    Simoncini
    Ciclie Vetta
    Fondriest
  • Tom753
    Tom753 Posts: 737
    Olmo
    Cinelli
    Billato

    But which ones still actually build frames, and which ones are brands/marketing/design companies? Seems like some do a mix, the lower range frames are bought in or outsourced but the top frames are still built inhouse.
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  • Rob Sallnow
    Rob Sallnow Posts: 6,279
    Guerciotti
    Alan
    Atala
    Masi
    Legnano
    Rossin
    Zullo
    Chesini



    I'd rather travel by baby elephant than use Shimano.

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  • 4kicks
    4kicks Posts: 549
    c4
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  • Ken Night
    Ken Night Posts: 2,005
    Torelli-have a look at the site for interesting discussions on bike weight, steel bikes and history of TdF

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  • monty_dogcp
    monty_dogcp Posts: 382
    You could also add Alan, Pegoretti as well as Fondriest to that list. A lot of Fondriest's frames are made by Viner, for example. It's well known that a lot of frame manufacture is out-sourced to a handful of companies like Viner.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    Know most of these but there are a few I wasn't aware of. Surprising how many really. And I'm wondering who sells the most bikes/frames? I am guessing Bianchi and Colnago.


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  • 4kicks
    4kicks Posts: 549
    Im betting Dedacciai must be up there in total sales as you see their frames rebranded all over the place..
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  • monty_dogcp
    monty_dogcp Posts: 382
    Dedaccia make tubes and frame components, not the frames themselves - that's why you see their stickers - like Columbus or Reynolds. The likes of Colnago, Pinarello and DeRosa and still small-scale in comparison to the Taiwanese builders. But the reason you buy the likes of a DeRosa is you know pretty well who's build it. The reason that Colnago stopped building titanium frames was because they only had one welder and so output was limited, rather than some nameless bloke in a big shed who's on piece-work rates and is trying to meet a target.
  • gundersen
    gundersen Posts: 586
    Benotto is Mexican
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    Giani Motta
  • Tom753
    Tom753 Posts: 737
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by gundersen</i>

    Benotto is Mexican
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    Maybe now, but they definitely started in Italy. So the original Italian Benotto no longer exists?

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  • Tom753
    Tom753 Posts: 737
    Dedacciai do make carbon frames, or at least there are Dedacciai branded carbon frames, saw it in a mag, but probably not that many about as it's only 870g (no forks) so œ+++.

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  • blackhands
    blackhands Posts: 950
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tom753</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by gundersen</i>

    Benotto is Mexican
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    Maybe now, but they definitely started in Italy. So the original Italian Benotto no longer exists?

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  • acorn_user
    acorn_user Posts: 1,137
    Torelli is an importer. They source really nice Italian OEM frames from builders and put their label on them. A bit like Condor, but cheaper. A number of guys in my conference race Torelli bikes.
    Cramerotti is the Canadian equivalent.
  • Birillo
    Birillo Posts: 417
    I think you'll find that the Italians mastered the art of out-sourcing long before modern corporations did.
  • Cyclo2000
    Cyclo2000 Posts: 1,923
    I've always associated Benotto with bar ribbon. IT was a revelation to me when I noticed Pro's on their bikes.

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  • bill poster
    bill poster Posts: 369
    Tommasini frames rock.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    Yes their lugged carbon frame the Evol is just gorgeous!

    http://www.tommasini.com/telai/evol_06.html


    SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    look at the lug work in this

    http://www.tommasini.com/telai/sintesi.html


    !! wow !!


    SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.
  • Furry
    Furry Posts: 12
    Cicli Montagner from Vicenza

    They used to be quite popular in Slovenia in 80's and early 90's. I own a former Montagner Sava Kranj team bike with Columbus SL tubing and 8 spd Dura-Ace. A lovely smooth ride and a great descender.