Slowing down does mean less accidents

Mister Paul · June 2007

http://www.etsc.be/documents/PIN_Report.pdf

I thought some may be grateful to read the organ grinder's report, rather than its interpretation by the press monkeys.

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dondare · June 2007

Ta very much.

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Jaded · June 2007

Oooh! Heaading 4.1 will get a ponytail flapping away!

"Excess and inappropriate speed is a very important factor in road accidents. The higher
the speed, the higher is the chance of an accident happening and the more severe is its
outcome. This is why cutting motorists' speed is essential to improving road safety."

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Sheddy · June 2007

(as I'm a lazy bogger) is there anything in the report about the use of Daytime Runnning Lights ?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

No, but old Smithy has done his weekly bungle.

He throws out one of his PRs about a report which he hasn't even read.

It seems that the ponytail is all of a flap.

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Cunobelin · June 2007

And the connection between speed cameras and drink drivng?

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Mister Paul · June 2007

I don't know. But I did note that he didn't get a quote for the headline story in his favourite tabloid this morning.

He must have slept through his alarm. This one has caught him completely off-guard.

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BoydJ · June 2007

I particularly like the following quote re the stats from France :

"Experience from European countries confirms this. In France, where road safety efforts focussed on moderating driving speeds, road traffic deaths were reduced by 31% between 2002 and 2005. The French Road Safety Observatory has calculated that three quarters of this drop could be attributed to improved speed management based on a new automated camera system. The proportion of vehicles traveling at 10 km/h and more above the legal limit decreased from 35% in 2003 to 19% in 2005 across the network. The number of vehicles exceeding the limit by more than 30 km/h went down by 80%.
Average speeds decreased by 5 km/h (ONSR 2006). France recorded the greatest reduction in road deaths over 2001-2005 among all European countries (see Chapter 1)."

gordycp · June 2007

Table 1 in the report shows that the UK achieved a 7.3% reduction in road deaths from 2001 to 2005. This is good, except that the reduction across the whole of Europe was 18.1% for the same period.

Tables 9 and 10 show that speeds on the UK's urban roads have decreased by 9.1% but on rural roads have increased by 8.9%. The reporting periods are noted to be different but the link between significant reductions in speeds across all roads in a few countries and a remarkable reduction in road deaths is striking.

I also note that out of 3337 people killed on the UK's roads in 2005, "only" 1675 (50.2%) were car occupants. (Tables 1 and 3)

The report, IMHO, is pretty good and worth reading.

Tourist Tony · June 2007

So Smeggy's claims of no fall in deaths were, er, terminological inexactitudes.....

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dondare · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cunobelin

And the connection between speed cameras and drink drivng?

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S'obvious, innit?

There has been a rise in the number of speed cameras.
There has been a rise in the number of accidents caused by drunk driving.
Therefore it must be the speed cameras making motorists drink and drive.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

All I can say is:

YAAAAARRRRRRRR! GLOBAL WARMIN', ME 'ARTIES!!!

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The Bosscp · June 2007

It's all very well saying that the speed limit has decreased and also so has the accident rate, so therefore the latter MUST BE dependent on the former, but where have they compared this with what happened to the accident rate over periods where the speed limit stayed constant?

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rothbook · June 2007

Fewer accidents FFS.

Mister Paul · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

No, but old Smithy has done his weekly bungle.

He throws out one of his PRs about a report which he hasn't even read.

It seems that the ponytail is all of a flap.

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No more of the death rattle from him I see. Nor from his sycophantics that try so hard over here.

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Unknown · June 2007

this has got me thinking

i'd like to see them choose a safe speed in the mini bus I was driving earlier, a nice relaxed 50mph on single carrageway roads, 60 on dual carraige way and everyone in the bus was comfortable and happy.

[those speeds are the limits for a mini bus incase you werent aware]

yes, a few people got held up when the bus struggled up a few big hills at 40 or 30mph in the national speed limit bit, it would be dangerous for cars to be wizzing up behind the bus in this situation

surely its similar on the motorway, to be able to assume a 20mph band for vehicles coming up in the right hand lane you want to pull into (again in the mini bus or indeed in a car) makes it easier to judge thier speed, and if i pull out into a gap that is pleanty big enough, i dont feel guilty for holding people up when i'm going 70, as they shouldnt be doing more than that anyway

it does wind me up when people think i should pull into a small gap inbetween two lorries to let them overtake me, and surely if speed limits were removed this would happen more often.

going back to country lanes, i'm sure safe speed members dont use them other than the odd A road,

some lanes i use, its hard enough getting out the end safely for seeing cars coming when they're doing a normal speed, i nearly lost a car and possibly my life due to looking, checking it was clear and pulling out on someone, he had to have been doing 90 to get from behind the trees 200 meters away to being at the junction in the time it took for me to pull out

you only know what safe / apropriate speed is with experience, knowlage of the road you're on and the junctions it has to know when to slow down - which i dont think would happen.

sorry to rant, just needed to say it.

Jaded · June 2007

RV - good points. The problem with the SS is that they build their house of cards on the driver choosing the safe speed for them, not, as you say for other road users.

I'm sure if you press them they'll say that they mean a safe speed for all road users that an SS member comes across, however its not pushed in their propaganda and, more importantly, it is not what is read into thair propaganda by the selfish prats that quote them.

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Tourist Tony · June 2007

Vince, as I quoted elsewhere on Campaign, The Great Geek considers anyone outside a car as deserving a lower standard of safety. It's their fault if they die.
Any concept of vulnerable road users is just sentimental claptrap, as the most vulnerable are car occupants.
How does Smith work that one out?
They form the bulk of KSIs.....

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Slowing down does mean less accidents

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