Car Manufacturers

Tourist Tony · June 2007

The Volvo advert that really annoyed me was the one about their Side Impact Protection System, in which everything but the driver goes into slo-mo, so he can pick a flying cassette tape out of mid-air and tuck it into his pocket, as the car is struck by a van.
Not a word in the whole ad about not pulling out in front of another vehicle in the first place; the whole message was "drive any way you fancy, you won't get hurt".

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Flying Dodo · June 2007

The most annoying car advert at the moment is the Alfa one. Various voices say "I bought the Alfa for its Q-beam suspension", or "I bought it because of its voice recognition system" etc etc, and on the screen it says (Lie).

What they don't say is, "I bought this car because I'm a saddo who's only concerned with image (and I may have a small penis)", or "I bought this car as I want it to rust to pieces in a few years".

Why can't they tell the truth in adverts?

Adam.

I've evolved - I used to fly, now I cycle.

Cunobelin · June 2007

KIA at one point gave away a free folding bike, and encouraged the buyers to use the bike for short journeys rather than the car.

Mind you I saw a "LandRover" MTB at Uni yesterday. very cheap and tacky, along the lines of a œ70 MTB, but...... Hey, its got the badge!

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
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PRD · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

Unsurprising that they'd do that since they're heavily involved in the manufacture of aircraft and rocket parts. Volvo have been racing cars since the mid-eighties, with some considerable success. Saab had a very similar advertisement talking about the most important part of any car being the seat.

If you want to see a truly irresponsible video (but impressive, I like it), watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8419624712
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I like it as well, but why do you consider it irresponsible?

Kourosism · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PRD

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

Unsurprising that they'd do that since they're heavily involved in the manufacture of aircraft and rocket parts. Volvo have been racing cars since the mid-eighties, with some considerable success. Saab had a very similar advertisement talking about the most important part of any car being the seat.

If you want to see a truly irresponsible video (but impressive, I like it), watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8419624712
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I like it as well, but why do you consider it irresponsible?
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Because it identifies speed in road vehicles meaning the same as "good".

Speed in the way demonstrated here is pretty cool. But why does a saloon need to drive that fast?

Going back to the OP, I seem to recall that there was an advert for a car set in the traffic jam, the idea being that the cabin was so comfortable and relaxing one doesn't mind being there.

Personally I would like to see more car adverts like this one:-

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... car+advert

Cretin · June 2007

Thinking about it, it probably isn't really. It does tend to reinforce a stereotype though.

imbecile · June 2007

that's telling 'em.

eternal_headwind · June 2007

Would I be right in thinking that despite an initial commentary reinforcing our delusions of free will, we are now making comments such as 'reinforing a stereotype', 'identifies speed with good' and 'don't worry about pulling out without looking, I've got a side impact protection system'.

No doubt someone will now post a comment about how the manufacturers are only using normal advertising strategies. Then we will have a few more posts relating to irresponsible adverts.

And after all these monuments have been put from pen to paper, we will pretend we have done something about it.

We are waiting to react to the next challenge in the courts, just like the HC changes or that chap who was arrested for riding on the road.
We never taking the fight to those people who have made body bags more important than bike bags.

Cretin · June 2007

You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has made improvements in product safety as pronounced as the automotive industry.

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has made improvements in product safety as pronounced as the automotive industry.
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You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has killed so many people as the automotive industry.

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Cretin · June 2007

And you'll have to look even harder for an industry that has brought such a degree of change and improvements in lifestyle and general health over the last century.

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

And you'll have to look even harder for an industry that has brought such a degree of change and improvements in lifestyle and general health over the last century.
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Health - no way.

Lifestyle - debatable.

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Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

And you'll have to look even harder for an industry that has brought such a degree of change and improvements in lifestyle and general health over the last century.
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Medicine & Sanitation both contribute more to lifestyle and health than cars. Indeed cars will probably turn out to have a negative effect on both of these in the long run.

Transport would happen whether we have a car industry or not, it would just be different!

eternal_headwind · June 2007

It is true that motoring is good for health. Look at the athletic profile of Jeremy Clarkson. And socially they are excellent, we can get from our front door into our cars and back and we never have to even think of talking to another human being.

Lovely.

All we need to do is remove the words 'and improvements' from cretin's last post and it reads a lot better.

It is true that there are certain benefits the motor car has brought, the main one being the elimination of the pension crisis. How many of those high blood pressure pudgy pale petrol heads are ever going to draw a pension?

Cretin · June 2007

Significantly more than did 50 years ago when most people wouldn't expect to even see a pension.

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

Significantly more than did 50 years ago when most people wouldn't expect to even see a pension.
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So diet, anti-biotics, x-rays, etc. etc. can be discounted then?

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PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

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You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has killed so many people as the automotive industry.
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[Cough] weapons industry!

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

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You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has killed so many people as the automotive industry.
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[Cough] weapons industry!
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[:D] Yes - I did think of that - however, given the context of cretin's post, I though that particular industry didn't match the criteria. [:)]

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PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

[coughs again] Tobacco industry

eternal_headwind · June 2007

Please remember that the current life expectancy figures have been acheived without the motor car.
All these senior citizens currently generating the average life expectancy figures of about 73 for a man and 79 for a woman went through most of their lives without cars. What will happen when the petrol generation age? All the evidence seems to point to those figures being revised to below the 60 year mark.

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

[coughs again] Tobacco industry
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wonders what point this person is trying to make.
wonders if he will come up with an industry that, in cretin's words, "You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has made improvements in product safety as pronounced as the automotive industry."

neither the arms industry nor the tobacco industry fit this. Try again, OK?

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Flying_Monkey · June 2007

Traffic accidents cause significantly more deaths per year than war, being over 2% of global deaths as opposed to 0.3% for death in war. In fact, it's been estimated that car accidents have caused more deaths than all wars put together. Traffic accidents are in the Top 10 of causes of death in the developing world in particular. Smoking probably does cause more, but it's difficult to separate out from other causes of heart disease, lung cancer etc.

http://swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1002502

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has killed so many people as the automotive industry.
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In bold this time to avoid the misrepresentation.

And nothing was said about war, simply weapons, which claim many hundreds of thousands per year, so fits the bill perfectly.

The point I was making was that one has to look neither long nor hard to find any industry that has killed significantly more than the automotive industry. Or am I not allowed to make posts that make these things clear?

Cretin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jaded

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

Significantly more than did 50 years ago when most people wouldn't expect to even see a pension.
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Products that were developed without any regard to private motor transport?

Why 'fight' against an industry that sells a perfectly legal product? Why not fight against those people who misuse that product, and those people who step into the road forgetting those products are there?

Still, you could always fight against the Hansom carriage industry. That killed plenty of people.

Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has killed so many people as the automotive industry.
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In bold this time to avoid the misrepresentation.

And nothing was said about war, simply weapons, which claim many hundreds of thousands per year, so fits the bill perfectly.

The point I was making was that one has to look neither long nor hard to find any industry that has killed significantly more than the automotive industry. Or am I not allowed to make posts that make these things clear?
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It's a thread, not a collection of non-sequiteurs.

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Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cretin

Why not fight against those people who misuse that product, and those people who step into the road forgetting those products are there?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

It's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people. Sounds like the NRA

Pedestrians have no right to be on or near the road. Sounds like the SS

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PetrolHeadcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It's a thread, not a collection of non-sequiteurs.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I have to confess, I am confused, why is replying to one of your posts a non-sequiteur?

Flying_Monkey · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You'll have to look long and hard to find an industry that has killed so many people as the automotive industry.
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In bold this time to avoid the misrepresentation.

And nothing was said about war, simply weapons, which claim many hundreds of thousands per year, so fits the bill perfectly.

The point I was making was that one has to look neither long nor hard to find any industry that has killed significantly more than the automotive industry. Or am I not allowed to make posts that make these things clear?
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Even if you add in all deaths by violence (0.93 % of the annual total and not all of them will involve weapons), then that still only adds up to 1.23% which is significantly less than the numbers killed in traffic accidents.

How clear is that?

There really aren't that many industries implicated in so many deaths.

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Jaded · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PetrolHead

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It's a thread, not a collection of non-sequiteurs.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I have to confess, I am confused, why is replying to one of your posts a non-sequiteur?
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Because my post was a direct repose to a cretin post. You simply wish to use obfuscation to distract.

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pliptrot · June 2007

I would contribute to such a fund, and so should anyone who chooses to use roads by means other than the motor vehicle. The motor car is divisive, dangerous, and panders to the whims of the selfish. As a tool for damaging social structures and the environment it has no equals.

The motor industry and the advertising lackeys who work with them are peddling myths which ultimately appeal to the vanity of those who are defined by what they own. The industry is proven to be irresponsible and motivated by things other than good sense. Remember it was the motor industry who fought long and hard to continue with leaded petrol. If you want to see how damaging the motor car is to the very fabric of society, come visit the US. If you want to imagine a better place, imagine it without cars.

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