Mark Cavendish
Didnt Armstrong start out with a sprinters phisique and fail to finish his first tour ? I can see parrallels between Cav and Armstrong at the start of their careers, yet Cav managed to get over the mountains in the tour of catalunya, and he says he`s been training in the mountains. Could he be a future tour contender ? Does he want/have to remain a sprinter or can he go further?
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Yeah but Armstrong lost loads of weight, started pedalling faster, trained in the rain when his rivals were at raves, weighed his food with some scales from NASA and started pedalling even faster.
That's all Cav needs to do I assume.0 -
Cav and the whole gb track team seem to have the discipline and motivation. I think he has the potential and the right mindset. Maybe he needs input from somebody with such experience. Maybe Lance.....?0
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I think you missed the cynicism of Mr Sailor's reply.
You don't want to be giving Cav "input" from Dr Armstrong
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Ok, maybe not LA. I`m an armstrong fan and will still be if he`s ever proven guilty for doping (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I am as anti doping as anyone (yes I`m a hippocrite), but it seems that, in the light of recent confessions, if LA was doping then it was a level playing field. LA was a winning machine and as determined a person as you`ll ever meet. He could have won whether doped or not. If I were LA I would have put more effort into my family than racing, so I do criticise him0
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Lance Armstrong is retired.
Him and Cavendish bear no similarities as far as I can see. Give the lad a break.0 -
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He just needs steady encouragement and support, not wild predictions about this future. He's only won few small but great races and needs to go head to head first with the on-form likes of McEwen, Petacchi, Boonen, Freire and Hushovd.
Besides, I don't know what his lab tests say. Often from these data you can determine a lot about a rider's potential
I wouldnt want to put any pressure on him - its one of those "what if I`d just...." hindsight moments when you look back at opportunities missed. If he wants to stay a sprinter then great! - I`m proud of him already, but if he wants to go further..... He`s been training in the mountains, so he`s not going to be the type who bails at the slightest hill. BC are THE guys to do the lab tests, so......0 -
Problem is he will have to dope, sceptical I know but true0
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As a sprinter you can win loads of races through the season, earn a lot of money, and be a big name in the sport. Most of the GC guys end up with no wins all season, and earn big money. I'd say the life of a quality sprinter is possibly more fulfilling, unless you are among the top 2 or 3 GC riders.0
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Lance may have been on a level playing field albeit at the higher end of it. Cav isn't.
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Lance may have been on a level playing field albeit at the higher end of it. Cav isn't.
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2 points;
- how can a level feild have a higher end
- Pro cycling has a drug problem for decades, ever heard of Simpson, cycling is now testing and catching drug cheats. That is where the problem, just look at the stars around Lance Riis doped, Zable doped, Pantani doped. Everyone is and was at it0 -
As far as I see it the logical way for Cav to develop is to keep with the sprinting, keep winning stages and semi classics. Then as he matures and gets naturally stronger start to look at he classics.
If he continues to develop the way he has been going so far, Paris-Tours, Ghent-Wenglem and Milano-San Remo should all be possibilities in the future.
I think he also has the potential be a Green Jersey winner.
The comparison with Lance Armstrong is a bit fatious. Armstrong was never an out and out sprinter, he could win from a breakaway group but must of the time if he crossed the line first he was on his own.
Sean Kelly is a better development model if Cav needs one.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mandie</i>
As far as I see it the logical way for Cav to develop is to keep with the sprinting, keep winning stages and semi classics. Then as he matures and gets naturally stronger start to look at he classics.
If he continues to develop the way he has been going so far, Paris-Tours, Ghent-Wenglem and Milano-San Remo should all be possibilities in the future.
I think he also has the potential be a Green Jersey winner.
The comparison with Lance Armstrong is a bit fatious. Armstrong was never an out and out sprinter, he could win from a breakaway group but must of the time if he crossed the line first he was on his own.
Sean Kelly is a better development model if Cav needs one.
We'll kick against the darkness 'till it bleeds daylight
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Agreed.
Not every talented rider is going to be a next Lance Armstrong.
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Does anyone think he will get a Tour ride this year?0
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If comparison's are necessary I reckon Cavendish is a bit like a cross between McEwen and Freire.
Which is an exciting prospect!!
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Cant see Cav as being the next Armstrong. LA was never really a sprinter like Cav - strong one day rider though.
Cav needs to be able to climb and TT to win a tour. Bunch sprints rarely figure for the Yellow Jersey. And dont expect to see him finish the tour if he starts - its a long way and a planned retirement before the end of the race isnt that unusual.0 -
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Does anyone think he will get a Tour ride this year?
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The temptation of a home soil win in Canterbury is surely a strong one for T-Mobile, but then there are other great chances in the first week...I'll stick my neck out and say I reckon he'll start and ride the 1st week.
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Well, seems I was wrong and he <i>is</i> in after all.
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How do people reckon he'll cope when someone like Pettachi has a leadout train - McEwen has shown himself a master of using other riders lead out - tall order for Cav to do that just yet or do you reckon he could be a contender right now ?
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He used McEwan's wheel in Scheldeprijs Vlaanderen did he not, in true McEwans stylee.
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"According to the Belgian website, six places on the German squad are already set, with riders Michael Rogers as captain, Kim Kirchen, Linus Gerdemann, Patrik Sinkewitz, Marcus Burghardt and successful young sprinter Mark Cavendish"
I've never seen a team that screams "We're going for stage wins!" more clearly.
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Its exciting for British cycling fans. He will have a real chance of winning a stage this year.<a><img></a>0
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Its exciting for British cycling fans. He will have a real chance of winning a stage this year.
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I don't think there will be much pressure on him from the team, so it's an ideal chance to gain some GT experience against some inform high quality experience. I doubt he'll win, but a top 6 placing would be a great result in any stage during the first week.0
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It will be a shame if Cav gets into this year's Tour at the expense of Roger Hammond, which I can see being a possibility at the moment.0
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I'm not sure what the competition is, but Hammond should have done enough earlier in the year to show himself a capable gnarly old pro, able to get in a long break, do the business and be selfless in helping the team to get a result. Can't get much better than that can you? Perhaps Axel Merckx is the object in his path?
I don't think it'll do Cav any harm to ride the tour (well, as much as they feel is good for him anyway). It will be another stage in his development and we will be able to see what his potential is up against the best there is going as hard as they can.0 -
Quite a few sources are reporting those 6 T-mobile riders for the Tour by the way. Looks like they will indeed be blooding him with the big riders for the first week!.0
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If he does start, would he be the first British sprinter at the tour since Malcolm Elliot?0
