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TheBigOne · May 2007

afx...

who's the jumper?

Unknown · May 2007

Why did Cunego tow DiLuca up most of the final hill ?

Anyway , well done to Gibo one of my favourite riders of recent times .

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afx237vi · May 2007

Far be it for me to cast aspersions, but wasn't Koldo Gil one of the riders named in Operacion Puerto? Saunier Duval pulled him out of the Vuelta a few days before the start last year.

Valv. Piti · May 2007

Yeah he was, so was Zarate from Saunier Duval. Ricco is/was also involved in a doping scandal and Simoni got thrown out of the Tour of Portugal with a high haematocrit in 98. They also had another puerto rider on the team Zaballa. Finally their DS Gianetti had to be taken to the hospital after experimenting a little too much with drugs.

afx237vi · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Valv. Piti

Yeah he was, so was Zarate from Saunier Duval. Ricco is/was also involved in a doping scandal and Simoni got thrown out of the Tour of Portugal with a high haematocrit in 98. They also had another puerto rider on the team Zaballa. Finally their DS Gianetti had to be taken to the hospital after experimenting a little too much with drugs.
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Yeah but that still makes them one of the cleaner teams in the peloton [}:)]

Unknown · May 2007

Which doping scandal was Ricco involved in?

I know he (like Cunego) was suspended when a junior because of a high haemocrit level but again like Cunego he now has UCI certification to say he's legally 'high' so to speak.

Zarate, Gil and Zaballa seem to be three of the lesser mentioned riders from Puerto. For some reason there's a lot of noise about the likes of Jaksche, Hamilton et al being allowed to compete despite being on the list, while others also on the list seem free (for now) to compete with no criticism.

So is Puerto an Animal Farm situation, where all riders are equal except some are more equal than others? Or are the authorities aware of different degrees of involvement in Puerto?

Just seems to me that you either suspend everyone listed as they initially did or none at all. Otherwise how are any sanctions going to stand up if some riders are allowed to compete while others are not?

afx237vi · May 2007

There's a definite hypocrisy among the race organisers. On one hand you have the Giro telling teams not to bring any Puerto riders, yet Jaksche is free to race and win in France. At the same time you have Pro Tour races like Pais Vasco and Catalunya inviting wildcard teams like Relax-Gam, who are basically an end-of-career retirement home for disgraced dopers.

There is no single standard at all.

Valv. Piti · May 2007

Ricco was involved in the Vandelli doping case. He was also suspended last year until people forgot about it. They would later use that strategy with Koldo Gil as well.

Keith Oates · May 2007

Whatever, Simoni's win was excellent and the support he had from Piepoli was terrific. I hope Simoni can get on the podium in Milan!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ride Daily, Keep Healthy

Unknown · May 2007

I'm with squaggles. it definitely looked like Cunego was pacing DDL up that hill
i know Cunego couldn't stop anyone sucking his wheel, but it really looked a bit weird from where i'm sat

Mleh Mleh Mleh

Steve Tcp · May 2007

Could have been an "agreement" between DC and DDL, but equally it could have been Cunego hating to see his old "mate" Simoni going away from him in the stage AND the GC. Maybe he was just fighting for himself and his own personal pride and Di Luca took advantage of that.

Take care,

Steve.

Radsman · May 2007

At that level of gradient (and thus very low speed) how much of a pulling up the hill factor is there really?

Steve Tcp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Radsman

At that level of gradient (and thus very low speed) how much of a pulling up the hill factor is there really?
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Plus of course at that level of gradient (and thus very low speed) how much of a pulling up the hill factor is there really? [:D] Good point Radsman, following a wheel is more psychologically helpful than physical.

Whatever his "preparation" I've been very impressed by Di Luca's tenacity when the hammer goes down. That was a brilliant ride by him yesterday to really minimise his losses against the specialist climbers and the even more amazing Andy Schleck.

Take care,

Steve.

Unknown · May 2007

No matter how steep the gradient it is very useful to have somebody to pace you up the hill . I think Cunego did it because it was Simoni out in front and he really didn't want him to win . It was very useful for DiLuca though who at one point looked to be in serious trouble .

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mangaman · May 2007

I think Cunego was riding for himself

What else could he have done?
It wouldn't have made any sense to sit up and wait for Di Luca on a climb like that. You just need to get into your rhythm and go for it

[cynicism]Once again Di Luca looked almost too good to be true[/cynicism]

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Steve Tcp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

[cynicism]Once again Di Luca looked almost too good to be true[/cynicism]
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It's a shame that we have to think this way. I try not to but it creeps in. Worse still the same cycnicism has to apply to Schleck, perhaps Simoni, and Piepoli. The latter in particular is so consistent in the mountains, and could have won three mountain top finishes if he was team leader, and never seems to have a bad day in the high mountains, when even his "superior" team mates do.

I swear I didn't think like this so often until Landis in last years TDF - that's what really pi**es me off about HIM.

Take care,

Steve.

Unknown · May 2007

Sat on DiLuca's wheel and let him chase down Simoni ? Of course he could have done it differently . He's not even going to finish on the podium . Cunego is not a good tactician in my opinion .

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

I think Cunego was riding for himself

What else could he have done?
It wouldn't have made any sense to sit up and wait for Di Luca on a climb like that. You just need to get into your rhythm and go for it

[cynicism]Once again Di Luca looked almost too good to be true[/cynicism]

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Radsman · May 2007

3 of the last 4 grand tour winners (I believe) have been busted for doping. Enough said.

Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Squaggles

Sat on DiLuca's wheel and let him chase down Simoni ? Of course he could have done it differently . He's not even going to finish on the podium . Cunego is not a good tactician in my opinion .

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mangaman

I think Cunego was riding for himself

What else could he have done?
It wouldn't have made any sense to sit up and wait for Di Luca on a climb like that. You just need to get into your rhythm and go for it

[cynicism]Once again Di Luca looked almost too good to be true[/cynicism]

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Cunego could do nothing cos he was fooked. He'll overtake Gibo in the time trial and finish on the podium.

TdG

jonnywilkinson · May 2007

i just don't think Cunego had it in the legs yesterday. for a moment it looked like he was gonna leave DDL behind too, but no. I am not sure how much tactics come into it on a climb like the Zoncolan

Jonny
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Unknown · May 2007

OK , but if you watched Cunego he was the one who almost sprinted to try and chase Simoni down . He used up too much energy on the lower slopes , then DiLuca got back to him , he towed (or paced if you think that it was too steep to have a drafting effect)DiLuca most of the way up , then DiLuca left him behind and finished ahead of him . Bad tactics , but as nobody else agrees with me I'm probably wrong [;)]

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