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CunobelinCunobelin Posts: 11,792
edited May 2007 in Campaign
In 2005 the Tories were criticsed for suggesting a selloff of the canal network.

Now it appears that New Labour have picked up the idea

If the suggestion is true, then there is a real threat. If there is no restriction or legislation to protect the waterside environment and developers are allowed to close parts of the network's towpaths then the continuity of many newtorks is threatened.

Any comments?



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  • SheddySheddy Posts: 942
    Hopefully the canal towpath is classified as a right of way, or am I being naive ?
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  • megillelandmegilleland Posts: 786
    They may not be rights of way as you need a permit to cycle on them. Although, apparently you do not need a permit in London.
    http://www.waterscape.com/cycling/permit.html

    Extract from website:

    The Waterways Code aims to protect your own and other people's safety, to safeguard the environment, and to avoid disturbing the enjoyment of other users of the waterway and towpath. There is no public right of way for cyclists on canal towpaths, and British Waterways reserves the right to withdraw permission from users who disregard the rules.

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  • davidmamdavidmam Posts: 427
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by megilleland</i>

    They may not be rights of way as you need a permit to cycle on them. Although, apparently you do not need a permit in London.
    http://www.waterscape.com/cycling/permit.html

    Extract from website:

    The Waterways Code aims to protect your own and other people's safety, to safeguard the environment, and to avoid disturbing the enjoyment of other users of the waterway and towpath. There is no public right of way for cyclists on canal towpaths, and British Waterways reserves the right to withdraw permission from users who disregard the rules.

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    It is a right of way if you are towing a boat. So find a dinky toy on a piece of string and pull that. You will need to make sure it is licensed though..

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  • BuggiBuggi Posts: 674
    bad idea. next they'll be charging narrow boat owners tolls to use them. and one day i want a narrow boat (when i win the lottery i'm gonna have a posh one)

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  • linfordlunchboxlinfordlunchbox Posts: 4,834
    All boats have to be licensed to use the canals and rivers


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  • stelviostelvio Posts: 1,422
    Pity the license does not include some sort of emissions testing, as most canal barges are surrounded by a toxic cloud of poisonous diesel fumes. No road vehicle would get an MOT with these engines.
  • Kev67Kev67 Posts: 2,351
    I've heard British Waterways (or whatever they're called) are up to no good on R4. They seem hell-bent on selling all their riverside estate to property developers. B-u-g-g-e-r anyone who may be trying to make a living on the canals.
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  • linfordlunchboxlinfordlunchbox Posts: 4,834
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by stelvio</i>

    Pity the license does not include some sort of emissions testing, as most canal barges are surrounded by a toxic cloud of poisonous diesel fumes. No road vehicle would get an MOT with these engines.
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    Old boats yes as they use ancient lister engines, but the newer ones use modern marinised diesel car engines. One we hired a few years ago had an Isuzu engine in it. It was clean running, virtually silent and very frugal.


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  • RegulatorRegulator Posts: 417
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kev67</i>

    I've heard British Waterways (or whatever they're called) are up to no good on R4. They seem hell-bent on selling all their riverside estate to property developers. B-u-g-g-e-r anyone who may be trying to make a living on the canals.
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    I wouldn't be so quick to blame British Waterways. Their funding from central government (DEFRA) has been almost halved and yet the demands placed on them by government (waterways improvements, environmental management, etc) have increased hugely. They are being forced to "sell the family silver" in part because of the fiasco at DEFRA over farm payments.

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  • Tourist TonyTourist Tony Posts: 8,628
    Greg, I somehow thought canals might be right up your street....

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  • Mister PaulMister Paul Posts: 719
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Regulator</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kev67</i>

    I've heard British Waterways (or whatever they're called) are up to no good on R4. They seem hell-bent on selling all their riverside estate to property developers. B-u-g-g-e-r anyone who may be trying to make a living on the canals.
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    I wouldn't be so quick to blame British Waterways. <b>Their funding from central government (DEFRA) has been almost halved </b>and yet the demands placed on them by government (waterways improvements, environmental management, etc) have increased hugely. They are being forced to "sell the family silver" in part because of the fiasco at DEFRA over farm payments.

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    There's a nasty rumour that this is the fault of the Olympics.

    I'd rather have a decent canal network than an Olympic village.

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  • RegulatorRegulator Posts: 417
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tourist Tony</i>

    Greg, I somehow thought canals might be right up your street....

    If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or censored
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    They are. I cycle along them and have dived in them. I've even 'cruised' one or two in my time... [:D]

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  • RegulatorRegulator Posts: 417
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mister Paul</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Regulator</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kev67</i>

    I've heard British Waterways (or whatever they're called) are up to no good on R4. They seem hell-bent on selling all their riverside estate to property developers. B-u-g-g-e-r anyone who may be trying to make a living on the canals.
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    I wouldn't be so quick to blame British Waterways. <b>Their funding from central government (DEFRA) has been almost halved </b>and yet the demands placed on them by government (waterways improvements, environmental management, etc) have increased hugely. They are being forced to "sell the family silver" in part because of the fiasco at DEFRA over farm payments.

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    There's a nasty rumour that this is the fault of the Olympics.

    I'd rather have a decent canal network than an Olympic village.

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    <font size="3"> Nothing to do with the Olympics that I am aware of... but everything to do with the fiasco of the Rural Payments Agency and the Single Payments Scheme. DEFRA, the RPA sponsoring department, has cut British Waterways' funding funding as a result of the RPA/SPS fiasco and the huge fine imposed by the EU. The cuts have also hit bodies like English Nature and the Environment Agency, and grant-aided organisations like the RSPB.

    However, as per bloody usual with this Government, no minister has resigned/been sacked because of the utter censored -up their department has made of a fairly simple matter like dispersing money. An yes, it is simple - but this government knew better and set up another quango, with a new computer scheme, rather than rely on civil servants who, despite everything, are relatively competent and efficient....

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  • Tourist TonyTourist Tony Posts: 8,628
    Careful, Reg, you'll get the usual spanking suspects along to tell you how wrong you are.
    Have you mentioned the BBC yet?

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  • MichuelMichuel Posts: 269
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Cunobelin</i>

    In 2005 the Tories were criticsed for suggesting a selloff of the canal network.

    Now it appears that New Labour have picked up the idea

    If the suggestion is true, then there is a real threat. If there is no restriction or legislation to protect the waterside environment and developers are allowed to close parts of the network's towpaths then the continuity of many newtorks is threatened.

    Any comments?
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    There is also the water freight perspective as well as cycle paths along the river. British Waterways seem mainly interested in property development of the canals. Although the Government claims it wants freight transport to ease road pressure it is doing nothing see/hear the recent BBC program "Gridlocked" (May 15 Radio 4) at

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/pip/r8b7c/

    which says it all

    But there's plenty of other reports on the web re British Waterways

    I believe planning requires that new canalside developments must leave 8 metres free on the canalside .
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