TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby Above The Cows » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:31 am

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Blazing Saddles wrote:Gif of the crash, here.
As I thought at the time, Thomas was the one who came down hard on his back.

https://twitter.com/pimentanuno/status/ ... 2742680577

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No one touched him. He shoot the bed and grabbed a whole load of front brake



Errr are you suggesting that the upright Ineos in this photo with white glasses is Thomas?

It's Castroviejo.
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Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:37 am

mididoctors wrote:
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Rick Chasey wrote:Have said it before, TdG has gt overall talent in his legs but not in his head.


This actually annoys me enough that I don’t really enjoy his wins.


why?

does the sport need another GC contender or a TDG?

the latter I say.


which one of the GC contenders has the know-how/talent to do what he does? froomes giro attack was super sensational and brilliant but required a detailed plan and an army of sky road side staff to put into operation. this ride was tactically astute in the moment with various race decisions being assessed on the road in response to an evolving situation.... it all came together. one of the greatest rides ever. one for the ages...

take it to the bank.


No it’s not rational, and you’re right.

I just feel it’s not a fair fight. It obviously is but in my mind your talents mean you ought to compete at your talent level.

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Postby TailWindHome » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:43 am

Nibali losing 4 1/2 minutes was odd,no?
He would need to be half an hour down before ever being allowed in a break
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby mididoctors » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:44 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:Have said it before, TdG has gt overall talent in his legs but not in his head.


This actually annoys me enough that I don’t really enjoy his wins.


why?

does the sport need another GC contender or a TDG?

the latter I say.


which one of the GC contenders has the know-how/talent to do what he does? froomes giro attack was super sensational and brilliant but required a detailed plan and an army of sky road side staff to put into operation. this ride was tactically astute in the moment with various race decisions being assessed on the road in response to an evolving situation.... it all came together. one of the greatest rides ever. one for the ages...

take it to the bank.


No it’s not rational, and you’re right.

I just feel it’s not a fair fight. It obviously is but in my mind your talents mean you ought to compete at your talent level.



he doesn't always win from the break.

its not like terpstra and de Marchi ...not to mention king are donkeys or that the entire GC focused squads of the entire peloton were chasing him down... maybe he should ride with panniers full of lead shot to even it up a bit...?

if the argument is he has wasted his potential ...then thank god he did.
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:47 am

mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:Have said it before, TdG has gt overall talent in his legs but not in his head.


This actually annoys me enough that I don’t really enjoy his wins.


why?

does the sport need another GC contender or a TDG?

the latter I say.


which one of the GC contenders has the know-how/talent to do what he does? froomes giro attack was super sensational and brilliant but required a detailed plan and an army of sky road side staff to put into operation. this ride was tactically astute in the moment with various race decisions being assessed on the road in response to an evolving situation.... it all came together. one of the greatest rides ever. one for the ages...

take it to the bank.


No it’s not rational, and you’re right.

I just feel it’s not a fair fight. It obviously is but in my mind your talents mean you ought to compete at your talent level.



he doesn't always win from the break.

its not like terpstra and de Marchi ...not to mention king are donkeys or that the entire GC focused squads of the entire peloton were chasing him down... maybe he should ride with panniers full of lead shot to even it up a bit...?

if its a case the argument is he has wasted his potential ...then thank god he did.


I also think his talents are less useful in the current era.

Not an argument just another point.

He’s definitely wasted potential.
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby Blazing Saddles » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:48 am

Brian Smith just said that in his opinion, that stage was up there with Froome's Giro stage 19 effort.
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby TailWindHome » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:54 am

TailWindHome wrote:Nibali losing 4 1/2 minutes was odd,no?
He would need to be half an hour down before ever being allowed in a break


The only way it makes sense is if he's trying to win from a late attack from the GC group where he's let go - and trying to stay in the top ten.
That seems like a lot of finessing.
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby mididoctors » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:00 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
I also think his talents are less useful in the current era.

Not an argument just another point.

He’s definitely wasted potential.


learn to love the TDG Rick.... you can do it.... breath in .. breathe out

now say

TDG is one of greatest riders of his or any other generation.



feel better?
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby DeVlaeminck » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:04 am

TailWindHome wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Nibali losing 4 1/2 minutes was odd,no?
He would need to be half an hour down before ever being allowed in a break


The only way it makes sense is if he's trying to win from a late attack from the GC group where he's let go - and trying to stay in the top ten.
That seems like a lot of finessing.


I'm assuming he actually blew - like you say if he wanted to ship some time then do it properly and it did show him pressing on after the climb as if he made at least a half hearted attempt to recatch the favourites or at least limit his losses.

Maybe his head just wasn't in the GC - he decided to sit up and the team weren't happy - anything in the press today?
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:06 am

mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
I also think his talents are less useful in the current era.

Not an argument just another point.

He’s definitely wasted potential.


learn to love the TDG Rick.... you can do it.... breath in .. breathe out

now say

TDG is one of greatest riders of his or any other generation.



feel better?


Haha if he was his palmares would be better

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Postby mididoctors » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:11 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
I also think his talents are less useful in the current era.

Not an argument just another point.

He’s definitely wasted potential.


learn to love the TDG Rick.... you can do it.... breath in .. breathe out

now say

TDG is one of greatest riders of his or any other generation.



feel better?


Haha if he was his palmares would be better


just goes to show how difficult it is to do...

now try again...... deep breathes :wink:
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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby gsk82 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:10 pm

Above The Cows wrote:
gsk82 wrote:
Blazing Saddles wrote:Gif of the crash, here.
As I thought at the time, Thomas was the one who came down hard on his back.

https://twitter.com/pimentanuno/status/ ... 2742680577

Image


No one touched him. He shoot the bed and grabbed a whole load of front brake



Errr are you suggesting that the upright Ineos in this photo with white glasses is Thomas?

It's Castroviejo.


If you click the link it's a gif of a loaf of photos. Its a really good clip. Thomas didn't actually hit anyone. Not that I'm saying he should've avoided it. He had no chance
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Postby hypster » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:21 pm

Blazing Saddles wrote:Brian Smith just said that in his opinion, that stage was up there with Froome's Giro stage 19 effort.


As great as TDG's ride was yesterday there's absolutely no comparison between a known breakaway specialist surviving to take a stage and a GC favourite being able to ride away from the field to win a GT.

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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby bobmcstuff » Sun Jul 14, 2019 13:14 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
I also think his talents are less useful in the current era.

Not an argument just another point.

He’s definitely wasted potential.


learn to love the TDG Rick.... you can do it.... breath in .. breathe out

now say

TDG is one of greatest riders of his or any other generation.



feel better?


Haha if he was his palmares would be better


I don't think its wasted potential really, unless you think he could be a GT winner or multiple GT winner (I don't, really - that 3rd in the Giro is probably his top level)

Surely it is better to be the most renowned breakaway specialist of his generation than another mediocre GC rider - we've got enough Portes, Ladygardens etc already. But there's only one Thomas de Gendt!

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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby Alejandrosdog » Sun Jul 14, 2019 13:16 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:Have said it before, TdG has gt overall talent in his legs but not in his head.


This actually annoys me enough that I don’t really enjoy his wins.


why?

does the sport need another GC contender or a TDG?

the latter I say.


which one of the GC contenders has the know-how/talent to do what he does? froomes giro attack was super sensational and brilliant but required a detailed plan and an army of sky road side staff to put into operation. this ride was tactically astute in the moment with various race decisions being assessed on the road in response to an evolving situation.... it all came together. one of the greatest rides ever. one for the ages...

take it to the bank.


No it’s not rational, and you’re right.

I just feel it’s not a fair fight. It obviously is but in my mind your talents mean you ought to compete at your talent level.


By your earlier statement he already is competing at his level. A GT rider needs to be the full package.

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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jul 14, 2019 14:29 pm

Alejandrosdog wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
mididoctors wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:Have said it before, TdG has gt overall talent in his legs but not in his head.


This actually annoys me enough that I don’t really enjoy his wins.


why?

does the sport need another GC contender or a TDG?

the latter I say.


which one of the GC contenders has the know-how/talent to do what he does? froomes giro attack was super sensational and brilliant but required a detailed plan and an army of sky road side staff to put into operation. this ride was tactically astute in the moment with various race decisions being assessed on the road in response to an evolving situation.... it all came together. one of the greatest rides ever. one for the ages...

take it to the bank.


No it’s not rational, and you’re right.

I just feel it’s not a fair fight. It obviously is but in my mind your talents mean you ought to compete at your talent level.


By your earlier statement he already is competing at his level. A GT rider needs to be the full package.


Physiologically he is.

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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby M.R.M. » Sun Jul 14, 2019 17:46 pm

Can he TT?

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Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jul 14, 2019 17:47 pm

M.R.M. wrote:Can he TT?


Yes

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Postby Alejandrosdog » Sun Jul 14, 2019 18:04 pm

He needs the whole thing not just the physical attributes.

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Re: TDF 2019: Stage 8, Mâcon > Saint-Étienne 13/07/2019 - 200 km *Spoilers*

Postby DrHaggis » Sun Jul 14, 2019 21:51 pm

The thing is, are TdG's numbers any better than, say, Rui Costa? Mind you, a WC, with World Tour 1 week GC wins. Or van Garderen? And look at how "little" van Garderen has won.

Rick has a point, in that de Gendt is good enough all-around to be a potential GC rider. His ride on strava has an average 350W for 5h, for Christ's sake. However, I don't think he climbs good enough, or TT's well enough, to be a real, regular podium contender. He's mentioned focusing on GC's in the past, after his podium in the Giro, but not really working out. As it is, he has seemingly found his own niche, and is the sort of rider appreciated by cycling fans all around the world. It's not clear to me how that's any worse than struggling between 7th and 13th in GC's (and these are all outliers)


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