La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Dorset Boy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 18:30 pm

That was pretty bad from Movistar.
One day they will get really shafted by the rest of the peloton.

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Ridgerider » Fri Sep 13, 2019 18:41 pm

Dorset Boy wrote:That was pretty bad from Movistar.
One day they will get really shafted by the rest of the peloton.

I thought they had...and today was just another chapter in the story?
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Gweeds » Fri Sep 13, 2019 18:41 pm

No class that team.
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby No tA Doctor » Fri Sep 13, 2019 19:10 pm

Dorset Boy wrote:That was pretty bad from Movistar.
One day they will get really shafted by the rest of the peloton.


Movistar already have a rep for this. It will definitely come back to bite them. It could also follow individual Movistar riders when they move teams.

Forget all that unwritten rule etiquette böllöcks, the peloton makes the rules, the peloton enforces them. And the peloton has a long memory.
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Salsiccia1 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 19:13 pm

Watching the highlights now, and it looks like typical Movistar shithousery to me.
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Dorset Boy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 19:33 pm

Lopez not impressed at all by Movistar attacking immediately after the crash. He knows they have form, and show no respect!

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Blazing Saddles » Fri Sep 13, 2019 19:48 pm

Dorset Boy wrote:Lopez not impressed at all by Movistar attacking immediately after the crash. He knows they have form, and show no respect!


Astana have a track record for doing exactly the same.
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Pross » Fri Sep 13, 2019 19:53 pm

Orla, Wiggins and Smith were unanimous in saying Movistar were already racing at the time which is why they were up front away from the crash and that Valverde eventually slowed things up when he didn't need to.

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby RichN95 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:16 pm

Pross wrote:Orla, Wiggins and Smith were unanimous in saying Movistar were already racing at the time which is why they were up front away from the crash and that Valverde eventually slowed things up when he didn't need to.

Here's a fan's video of the crash. I don't see any Movistar riders at the front.

https://twitter.com/39x28web/status/1172557385900199936

And as for Millar suggesting Valverde can't do anything, he's got instructions from the DS. Please. Valverde could have that DS fired just for mocking his hair plugs.
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Dorset Boy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:34 pm

Owain Doull not impressed either. "Not a classy thing to do"

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Pross » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:45 pm

RichN95 wrote:
Pross wrote:Orla, Wiggins and Smith were unanimous in saying Movistar were already racing at the time which is why they were up front away from the crash and that Valverde eventually slowed things up when he didn't need to.

Here's a fan's video of the crash. I don't see any Movistar riders at the front.

https://twitter.com/39x28web/status/1172557385900199936

And as for Millar suggesting Valverde can't do anything, he's got instructions from the DS. Please. Valverde could have that DS fired just for mocking his hair plugs.


I'm just reporting what was said, all three agreed the racing was on at the time and Orla in particular was quite vocal about the criticism.

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby DeVlaeminck » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:49 pm

Looked a bit naughty but if Wiggins and Smith think it was just about acceptable ...? I suppose bottom line is they did pull the plug voluntarily so it'll probably not have teams looking to pay back down the line.
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby underlayunderlay » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:50 pm

RichN95 wrote:
Pross wrote:Orla, Wiggins and Smith were unanimous in saying Movistar were already racing at the time which is why they were up front away from the crash and that Valverde eventually slowed things up when he didn't need to.

Here's a fan's video of the crash. I don't see any Movistar riders at the front.

https://twitter.com/39x28web/status/1172557385900199936

And as for Millar suggesting Valverde can't do anything, he's got instructions from the DS. Please. Valverde could have that DS fired just for mocking his hair plugs.


Pretty horrible to watch, that.

I mean, shooting in portrait, FFS...
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby RichN95 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:51 pm

All said, I'm always disappointed when a team feels they have to issue an apology

https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/statu ... 2577193986

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby underlayunderlay » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:51 pm

Also presumably Movistar have the excuse that they were trying to put some time into Quintana?
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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Blazing Saddles » Fri Sep 13, 2019 20:57 pm

Pross wrote:
RichN95 wrote:
Pross wrote:Orla, Wiggins and Smith were unanimous in saying Movistar were already racing at the time which is why they were up front away from the crash and that Valverde eventually slowed things up when he didn't need to.

Here's a fan's video of the crash. I don't see any Movistar riders at the front.

https://twitter.com/39x28web/status/1172557385900199936

And as for Millar suggesting Valverde can't do anything, he's got instructions from the DS. Please. Valverde could have that DS fired just for mocking his hair plugs.


I'm just reporting what was said, all three agreed the racing was on at the time and Orla in particular was quite vocal about the criticism.


Magnus Backstedt on International had quite the opposite view. He said pretty much what Rich said about them having to have passed by the crash. It was the second guy into the bend after all, who was the first on the deck.
In trying to defend the team's action Arrieta contradicts himself.

Not sure why Orla's view should carry any more weight than anybody on the average cycling forum, tbh.

Another view of the crash that shows that everybody must have what had happened.

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby cq20 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 21:16 pm

I think Orla was making a more general point about unwritten rules wrt crashes rather than just this particular incident. Wiggins and Smith did support Movistar’s action but during live commentary Kelly took the apparently more prevalent view that Movistar saw their chance to capitalise on rivals misfortunes and drilled it. (IIRC, Vacansoleil did the same to Movistar a few years ago as payback for a previous “unethical “ Movistar attack)

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby M.R.M. » Fri Sep 13, 2019 21:20 pm

underlayunderlay wrote:Also presumably Movistar have the excuse that they were trying to put some time into Quintana?

Hahaha hat! :lol:

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby Richard T. Biscuit » Fri Sep 13, 2019 23:43 pm

Whatever you think about Movistar, tours would be duller without them :D

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Re: La Vuelta 2019, Stage 19: Ávila > Toledo 13/09/2019 - 165,2 km *Spoilers*

Postby RichN95 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 23:47 pm

Richard T. Biscuit wrote:Whatever you think about Movistar, tours would be duller without them :D

I've said in the past that people who want to ban radios and powermeters actually want to ban sensible tactics. I think Movistar are showing this.
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