Female riders are you on female bikes?

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Carbonator » Tue Apr 30, 2013 16:31 pm

ToeKnee wrote:
Ka12 wrote:I have a pair of the men's DHB bib tights and no issue with the pads, women's cycling clothing seems to only be available in small sizes for those with no bust whatsoever!

So, you're saying men's DHB bib tights have more room to accommodate an ample bust? :wink:


They have a 'Moob friendly' cut :lol:

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Oxo » Tue Apr 30, 2013 16:52 pm

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Oxo wrote:Apparently this is because women have, on average, a shorter torso but longer legs than men.


This is not true, MEN have shorter torsos and longer legs in the UK.


I sit corrected, ta :D
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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby sparrowlegs78 » Thu May 09, 2013 21:06 pm

I'm on a mans bike, might have something to do with needing a 63cm frame!!! Ladies bikes don't go up to that size.
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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby sassse » Fri May 10, 2013 10:30 am

I am 164 cm and all my bkes are "mens" ones, but have all been bought after bike fits and have required no changes other than saddle changes. I know women who are 6ft who ride custom frames as "mens" bikes don't fit correctly and require to bigger compromise to work for them.

So, I think the key thing is not whether a bike is a mens or womens bike, but whether it fits you. I always think having a proper bike fit and measurement before buying a bike is they key and then selecting the ones that are the best fit for you to test before buying. Saddles are easy to change and most bike shops I know are quite happy to swap for you.

In terms of bib shorts and tights, I wear womens ones as they fit me personally much better than mens ones, especially the pad. However for tops I have a mixture depending on the brand and exact fit.

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby pinkteapot » Fri May 10, 2013 14:45 pm

Agree with the comment above that fit is all that should matter.

I'm on a hybrid rather than a road bike. It's a Whyte Malvern Women's and it fits like a glove. When I tried some Specialised bikes before choosing mine, their men's bikes were more comfortable for me than their women's. I'm 5'7".

Not sure about women's bikes being more expensive? With the Specialised and Whyte bikes that I looked at the equivalent models were the same price...

I wanted a step-through frame as I commute with a trunk bag on a pannier rack. I always used to get on and off my bike the male way, but with my bag on the back I try and swing my leg over and fail miserably. :oops:

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Daz555 » Mon May 20, 2013 19:02 pm

jibberjim wrote:
Oxo wrote:Apparently this is because women have, on average, a shorter torso but longer legs than men.


This is not true, MEN have shorter torsos and longer legs in the UK.

Where did you read that?

I have only ever read that women have proportionally shorter arms and torso than a man of the same height. A quick Google seems to confirm this.
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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby jibberjim » Mon May 20, 2013 19:09 pm

Daz555 wrote:
jibberjim wrote:
Oxo wrote:Apparently this is because women have, on average, a shorter torso but longer legs than men.


This is not true, MEN have shorter torsos and longer legs in the UK.

Where did you read that?

I have only ever read that women have proportionally shorter arms and torso than a man of the same height. A quick Google seems to confirm this.


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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby singletrackanne » Mon May 20, 2013 20:00 pm


That study refers to children, not adult women.

I guess some women are not "average" but what is " average"?
I know I have longer legs and a shorter torso than most men my height and I would hazard a guess that the same goes for most (but not all) women on this site, but I can't prove it
I have the same inside leg measurement as my husband and I am 5 " shorter than him.
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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby jibberjim » Mon May 20, 2013 20:21 pm

singletrackanne wrote:

That study refers to children, not adult women.


Have you read it or just the abstract? The 21-25 year old group are pretty representative of the majority of women buying bikes today. Now if you tell me you're asking about a 65 year old, or a hutsi immigrant, then sure things are going to be different, but individuals should always be looked at as individuals. On average though, the Dangour et al. data is reasonable?

singletrackanne wrote:I have the same inside leg measurement as my husband and I am 5 " shorter than him.


My wife's proportions are such that she has much shorter legs / longer back than me, there's 2 data points, complete opposite, these little anecdotes aren't a lot of use, other than to say you should buy a bike that fits...
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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby singletrackanne » Mon May 20, 2013 21:22 pm

jibberjim wrote:
singletrackanne wrote:

That study refers to children, not adult women.


Have you read it or just the abstract? The 21-25 year old group are pretty representative of the majority of women buying bikes today. Now if you tell me you're asking about a 65 year old, or a hutsi immigrant, then sure things are going to be different, but individuals should always be looked at as individuals. On average though, the Dangour et al. data is reasonable?

singletrackanne wrote:I have the same inside leg measurement as my husband and I am 5 " shorter than him.


My wife's proportions are such that she has much shorter legs / longer back than me, there's 2 data points, complete opposite, these little anecdotes aren't a lot of use, other than to say you should buy a bike that fits...


I just read the abstract which I assumed would summarise the main results!!! Sorry if I assumed wrongly.

I realise this has all been discussed on this forum before and I do not know enough about the study or the facts to make an informed decision although and I do not intend to start the argument/discussion gain. Although I am still unsure of the relevance of the study you cite. I would be interested to know exactly how many people were in the 21-25 year age group? I do not seem to be be able to access the actual paper you refer to.

All I know is that of the dozen or so women I ride with regularly, all but one seem to have have long legs and short torsos compared to males of similar heights. therefore a shorter stem and smaller handlebars on a unisex/male orientated road bike would possibly be useful for them.

However, one thing I do agree with is that it is important to look at everyone as individuals and buy a bike with the appropriate fit, be it male or female specific.
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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Katiebob » Wed May 22, 2013 12:58 pm

I've got a mens Carrera Gryphon (a small one as im only 5'2"!)

I got it through the Halfords C2W and didnt want a sickening pink or turqouise bike which seemed to be all they had on offer!

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Fluffyblue » Wed May 22, 2013 15:50 pm

I've got a Boardman Comp Fi - it's mainly white and it has got some pink bits on it - BUT I LOVE IT!!! I'm only 156 cm and I think it's the medium - 50cm size.

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby proto » Thu Jun 20, 2013 15:13 pm

My daughter rides a standard (men's?) BMC Pro Machine, size 51 (54cm top tube). She's 171cm (5'7"ish). 100mm stem, 20mm seatpost set back.

Saddle is a man's saddle too, a Specialized Toupe Expert, 143cm width. She prefers it to the Selle Italia SLK Lady Gel Flo that she used before. Most of the women I know that race use men's saddles too.

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Baby Trek » Tue Jul 02, 2013 20:07 pm

No I went for a blokes small frame...but on hindsight when I replace, I will get a ladies. But I have spent so much on mine now customising it to fit me that it will be a while before I change. The ladies have better handlebars that typically make the reach to the brakes from the drops easier, closer coupled so you are not stretched out and probably a better saddle to start with.

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby bikergirl17 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 05:50 am

Yes -- and short reach shifters, 165 cranks & 650c wheels. When I got my first frame 10 years ago most manufacturers had true wsd bikes on the market. Seems most now are just a regular frame with smaller handle bars. I'm really short & my bike fits me perfectly -- couldn't imagine using a larger frame or 700c wheels (despite the lack of after market parts). If I were taller I would definitely not bother with a wsd frame but spec the components, etc. I assume it would be much harder if you're buying a stock bike. That said stores are sometimes amenable to switching parts out.

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Alitogata » Sun Jul 21, 2013 22:56 pm

Wirral_Paul wrote:Well i'm not female, but they seem to have shorter top tubes for a given sized frame, come with female specific saddles......... and come with god-awful flowery graphics!! :D


Well said! Female bikes have shorter top tubes with more sloping, ( especially in the very small sizes), and awful artwork.. ( the manufacturers obviously think that all women want flowers and pale colors especially baby pink). As for the saddles.. Judging by the saddle that my own female specific geometry bike had.. hm.. better not to comment on it.. :shock:

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Frankie106 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 14:28 pm

I'm 5' 4" and have just bought a Trek Domane 4.5. Its not pink and doesn't have flowers, but it does have a smaller bars and reach and is most comfortable to ride (and pretty speedy too!). My previous bike was a Specialised Dolce Sport, also a womens bike. I dont think they are more expensive because they are womens specific - well not the road bikes anyway.

I just wish there was more women specific cycling gear!

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby The Real Gromit » Wed Jul 24, 2013 18:50 pm

I'm on a Spesh Ruby Comp. It's black and red and not a a hint of flowers anywhere and I LOVE IT!!

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby Alitogata » Thu Jul 25, 2013 01:30 am

I'm currently riding a Trek Lexa. I'm 1.56 ( 5"1 ?) but I have very long legs for my hight, with inseam at 74,5 cm and not so long torso. I've checked ( not able to test ride always as small sizes are available by order) a lot of different women (supposed :lol: ) specific models, but none of them was right for me. So I decided to go for an entry level road bike, because I had to compromise and customize after buy anyway and I didn't want to compromise spending a fortune.

The point is that there are not many choices on women bicycles and if a woman has a little ( don't say much) different body proportions, she has either to get an existing model and start customize everything, ( shorter stem, shorter crankset, and then change to a wider range cassete etc etc), spending half the bike's price to make it rideable, or go for a custom model which costs again a load of money as the frame has to be done in her exact measurements from scratch.

In my case the cost of a custom steel frame starts from 1000 euros, for a custom carbon frame from 1500-2000 euros and there are no alu custom frames, ( I haven't found someone to make such frames).

Conclusion? When you are woman and not that tall, then you have to compromise either with entry level bikes ( but they have flower artwork :roll: :lol: ), or compromise with a ready made expensive bicycle and feel stupid for the money you've spend for something that doesn't fit well. (and pay more money to make it fit..) or go for custom ( haute couture :P ).

Obviously most manufactures think that women cyclists are not equipment spenders to be considered, or they don't care if they spend their money on something that doesn't fit properly.

If you doubt of what I'm saying, check how many reviews exist in this site about women specific models. From 5242 reviews on road bikes section, a search with the term "women" gave me 3 results. If I use other terms I will have perhaps 20..

I really don't like the idea that in order to have a bike that fits to me, I'll have to order it and pay it double and triple in price and not having the convenience that other ( mostly men ) have, to get in a store and choose between hundreds of different bike models and geometries. :(

And then we talk about sexism on the streets.. :roll:

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Re: Female riders are you on female bikes?

Postby bikergirl17 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 21:52 pm

awesome comment ... so true. and i even spoke to a very high end custom bike maker who was against building a 650c frame, insisting that they were so good that they could size down the frame but still fit 700 c wheels -- so what if there was (potentially dangerous) toe overlap? i would learn to live with it. this for a GBP4000+ bike.

i believe there is a pent up market of women under 5'3" who would pay up for a good bike and wheels -- but we need a manufacturer to take that leap of faith and (re) enter the market. in 2005/6 cannondale, trek, specialised, orbea, bianchi and lightspeed all made true wsd and even spec-ed with durace; zipp made 303s in 650c. admittedly the economy wasn't so great in this period and most manufacturers were likely struggling, so i can understand cutting back -- but no one re-entered the market.


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