How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby burnthesheep » Wed Jun 28, 2017 14:47 pm

cld531c wrote:Im talking about overtaking and pulling in so you have to slam on your brakes (and legs when on fixed) to avoid a collision. Unfortunately not a rarity as there are some out there (I blame Wiggo not Wiggle) who feel as a man they have to overtake a woman even if their legs arent really up to it, hence the maneouvre!


It's men and women. When I ride solo and it is busy hours for riding, I don't pay any attention to gender or type of bike or kit or skinny or fat.....I keep up to my personal day's plan of how I plan to ride my route.

If it looks like I'm going to overtake soon, I just make sure it's at a time on my route that I will pass and stay ahead. I hate leapfrog.

Then again, you'd be surprised how many times you go to pass someone (on a bike or in your car driving with other cars) that as soon as you get beside them there is a magical up-tick in pace or power. It's human nature to avoid being passed. If you're really riding at pace on a solo ride and go for a pass, you're likely not caring or paying attention to gender.

If you're pacelining, the group needs to be at a fair enough level that everyone can stay in line and rest and everyone can take at least a few minutes turn a couple of times up front. Male or female.

I've said to someone before that passed back 5 minutes later, then they blew up, "if we meet again, I'll pull off and stop for a few minute break to let you go ahead".

On the issue with "and legs when on fixed"......I'm sorry but no pity for fixie rides on group rides with freewheel bikes. I've had so many issues on group rides with fixie riders surging on a section their gear choice works well with just to be in the damn way on a climb or a descent.

I'm sorry if a person chose to do a group ride that has unpredictable things happen on a fixie, it's not reasonable to expect everyone else on freewheel bikes to ride differently because you can't control your bike.

You don't know if a car pulls out from a side street in front of the leader, they will be grabbing handfuls of brake. Yeah, that fixie rider in that scenario could easily crash out the rest of the freewheel riders.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby cld531c » Wed Jun 28, 2017 15:51 pm

burnthesheep wrote:
cld531c wrote:
On the issue with "and legs when on fixed"......I'm sorry but no pity for fixie rides on group rides with freewheel bikes. I've had so many issues on group rides with fixie riders surging on a section their gear choice works well with just to be in the damn way on a climb or a descent.

I'm sorry if a person chose to do a group ride that has unpredictable things happen on a fixie, it's not reasonable to expect everyone else on freewheel bikes to ride differently because you can't control your bike.

You don't know if a car pulls out from a side street in front of the leader, they will be grabbing handfuls of brake. Yeah, that fixie rider in that scenario could easily crash out the rest of the freewheel riders.



Think you missed the point, I am riding alone when this happens. I would never ride fixed in a group as people/situations can be unpredictable.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby Cotterend » Tue Nov 07, 2017 17:48 pm

There's no choice where I live: the clubs are all men and they're too fast for me to keep up with. Occasionally a club pack will pass and for a while, I'll ride in and enjoy the buzz, before having to drop back.

I've got used to being on my own instead. It took a bit of doing. For a while I really craved company, then for a while I listened to a lot of music instead, but that's a bit dangerous and a risk of points. Years on, I'm now quite happy on my own and use my Garmin to monitor the pace.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby thecycleclinic » Tue Nov 07, 2017 23:26 pm

the first problem is fewer woman riding for sport than men and they smaller group of regular female riders than men. Tri is where they all seem to be. My wife does tri now and that is the thing that gets her out on her bike. Shame she has to run and swim at the same time but who cares if it get her out on her bike. many woman who ride like my wife are simply not interested in riding in groups or sharing the interest as they dont actually have the interest in the way I do for example. many woman ride a bike because they like getting around that way or they do it to improve fitness or give themslves a goal but they dont need to share it. Let face it groups of men get a bit competative sometimes and that probably put woman off. There are far more woman on the capp club ride which has calmer older men mostly involved than the espresso for example where there are is one lady who turns up regularly. She is a fitness instructor though so is really quick.

The club I am in has a good number of female riders which is great but the whole reason why is is not 50:50 men and woman on club runs is because it is not 50:50 gender split on a bike overall. many more woman jog as that possibly suit them better and woman may be more cautious and risk adverse and lets face it you have to be a confident person on the road not feel like you don't belong there on a bike. it is proably quite off putting for many.

Also the couple of time I got my wife on a club run she hated it being told to dig deep on a hill..... I hate that kind of talk as well I can see why she did not want to come again.
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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby thecycleclinic » Tue Nov 07, 2017 23:30 pm

fixed riders turn up on club runs all the time but the ones I know ride a fixed gear bike well and dont have problems. You ride a fixie in a group if you are really skilled at riding a fixie. I am still learning and I will learn by my self.
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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby cld531c » Wed Nov 08, 2017 09:43 am

thecycleclinic wrote:fixed riders turn up on club runs all the time but the ones I know ride a fixed gear bike well and dont have problems. You ride a fixie in a group if you are really skilled at riding a fixie. I am still learning and I will learn by my self.


It also depends on the group! Someone in front coming almost to a standstill up a hill can be quite tricky/ irritating.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby cld531c » Wed Nov 08, 2017 09:53 am

Cotterend wrote:There's no choice where I live: the clubs are all men and they're too fast for me to keep up with. Occasionally a club pack will pass and for a while, I'll ride in and enjoy the buzz, before having to drop back.

I've got used to being on my own instead. It took a bit of doing. For a while I really craved company, then for a while I listened to a lot of music instead, but that's a bit dangerous and a risk of points. Years on, I'm now quite happy on my own and use my Garmin to monitor the pace.


I would be tempted to hang on as long as you can, I wouldnt be surprised if their effort was maxed out with the intention to drop you and that they didnt sustain the same pace for much longer after you'd gone. Even if that's not the case, you get to really push yourself for a bit.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby Matthewfalle » Thu Nov 09, 2017 08:11 am

Have you tried you local triathlon club? The one around here is so much more friendly, integrating, fun and with a lot more females.

None of the cycling club clique, the riding standard is just as good as it's a lot more inviting.

Mine are more than happy for people to just join for rides then you end up being indoctrinated........
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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby DeVlaeminck » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:33 am

Lots of women in our club, doesn't seem to be an issue so yes critical mass probably helps, you need enough people of similar pace. Swings and roundabouts with big clubs, you get the variety of rides to suit all but they can lose that club feel.

Riding fixed in a group shouldn't be an issue assuming you have a front brake fitted, the only time I found it a problem was keeping up on descents, not a problem on a club run as you can always catch up but on a chain gang it tends to be goodnight if you are 50metres off the back.
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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby Milemuncher1 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 15:25 pm

cld531c wrote:
thecycleclinic wrote:fixed riders turn up on club runs all the time but the ones I know ride a fixed gear bike well and dont have problems. You ride a fixie in a group if you are really skilled at riding a fixie. I am still learning and I will learn by my self.


It also depends on the group! Someone in front coming almost to a standstill up a hill can be quite tricky/ irritating.


Make sure you shout “I’m stopping” nice and loudly, and move to the left, that way the rest of the pack can pass you until the gradient levels a bit.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby cld531c » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:17 am

Milemuncher1 wrote:
cld531c wrote:
thecycleclinic wrote:fixed riders turn up on club runs all the time but the ones I know ride a fixed gear bike well and dont have problems. You ride a fixie in a group if you are really skilled at riding a fixie. I am still learning and I will learn by my self.


It also depends on the group! Someone in front coming almost to a standstill up a hill can be quite tricky/ irritating.


Make sure you shout “I’m stopping” nice and loudly, and move to the left, that way the rest of the pack can pass you until the gradient levels a bit.


Please re-read....the coming to a standstill on a hill was others, not me on fixed

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby Pitters » Sun Jan 21, 2018 13:36 pm

I think it’s a tricky one. I go out cycling with my husband and neither of us has really enjoyed going out with a club although we have tried it. We go out regularly with other cycling friends and it’s fun. Clubs are full of people trying to prove themselves and riding recklessly on the road. We also do sportives and the club riders on these use it as a race rather than thinking about others especially the men.

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Re: How to promote womens participation in cycling clubs?

Postby Milemuncher1 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 14:00 pm

Pitters wrote:I think it’s a tricky one. I go out cycling with my husband and neither of us has really enjoyed going out with a club although we have tried it. We go out regularly with other cycling friends and it’s fun. Clubs are full of people trying to prove themselves and riding recklessly on the road. We also do sportives and the club riders on these use it as a race rather than thinking about others especially the men.


Don’t let the ( albeit numerous) smashy smashy ‘head down, ars* up’ clubs put you off completely. There are a lot of bad clubs, there are a lot of good ones. Most will let you ride with them for no commitment initially, so try a few, find one that fits your style / needs best, and you might find some enjoyable club rides. CTC ( or we are cycling) https://www.cyclinguk.org/cycle/cycling-uk are good, if ‘smashing stuff’ isn’t your bag. Or try and find a group, or a ride with www.letsride.co.uk

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