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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby briantrumpet » Thu Sep 19, 2019 07:40 am

darkhairedlord wrote:Someone may have posted this but the use of "waster" as a useless person when the correct term is waister.

I'm afraid you might be mistaken: the OED does define a waister as "Waisters, a name given to the men stationed in the waist in working the ship."

But, for 'waster':

One who lives in idleness and extravagance; one who wastefully dissipates or consumes his resources, an extravagant spender, a squanderer, spendthrift. Now chiefly dialect, with some notion of sense 6, a worthless person, ‘ne'er-do-well’.

Indeed, this usage has a long history, going right back to the 14th century. And in the 1970s, by a chemistry teacher at my school, who would frequently exclaim "You're a waster, boy!" to miscreants.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Capt Slog » Thu Sep 19, 2019 07:48 am

darkhairedlord wrote:Someone may have posted this but the use of "waster" as a useless person when the correct term is waister.


So I looked it up...

Noun. waister (plural waisters) (nautical) A seaman stationed in the waist of a warship. "The largest division of a ship's company, and the most ignoble, was that of the waisters, the men stationed in the waist, the men " without art or judgment," who hauled aft the fore and main sheets, and kept the decks white."

Interesting. Thanks for that. :D


EDIT to say I was looking this up and writing (and generally taking my time) whilst Brian posted his rebuttal. Never mind, it's still interesting.
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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby darkhairedlord » Thu Sep 19, 2019 07:51 am

The admiral's daughter really did have a naval full of discharged seamen.

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Postby elbowloh » Thu Sep 19, 2019 08:06 am

The thing about the fuel gauge and the little arrow that tells you what side the filler cap is on...I hired a car in Cape Town, a VW Polo, and it DID NOT have the arrow. SHOCK HORROR.
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Postby essex-commuter » Thu Sep 19, 2019 08:10 am

elbowloh wrote:The thing about the fuel gauge and the little arrow that tells you what side the filler cap is on...I hired a car in Cape Town, a VW Polo, and it DID NOT have the arrow. SHOCK HORROR.


Cape Town...someone probably nicked it.
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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Rick Chasey » Thu Sep 19, 2019 08:44 am

That NATO is a lot less binding than I thought.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Robert88 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 08:47 am

Hire cars in Cape Town may have bits missing.

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Postby ddraver » Thu Sep 19, 2019 09:14 am

hopkinb wrote:
essex-commuter wrote:Allegedly the numbers or markers on toasters are minutes, not 'browness'.


:shock: :shock: :shock:

This is dynamite stuff. Can it be though? I have it somewhere between 4 and 5 on a 10 point scale. The missus will use a 7 for crumpets. Does anyone use 10?


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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Slowbike » Thu Sep 19, 2019 09:27 am

Tangled Metal wrote:Glass pill boxes? Used to get plastic ones but glass ones could be recycled. Deposit paid at pharmacist?


Would seem sensible to go back to the refillable bottles - fine for most things - but what if it's pills for something contagious? would you want to have the bottle after someone else has?

Problem with the pre-packed repeats is that although you know you're getting the right amount of the right drug, you don't know if that person is getting that medication for the first time or hundredth time - and what if the brand has changed - the active ingredients may stay the same, but the leaflet may differ slightly?

But yes - I've been on the same medication for >25 years and I don't think I've read the enclosed leaflet more than twice. It used to come in a bottle, but changed to a blister pack. I used to get 3 months worth at a time, I now get 1 months worth - which just means I have to visit the pharmacy 12 times a year instead of 4 ...

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Tangled Metal » Thu Sep 19, 2019 09:37 am

Sterilization and relabelling standardised pill bottle design.

No issue with most contagious diseases and the ones that sterilization fails on would the patient be walking around in public with it or in a quarantine ward with drugs supplied on trays in paper containers by nurses with PPE on?

Labelling is simply paper stickers anyway. They come off easily.

That leaves the paper leaflet found in boxes, that might be needed separately or a more novel delivery method for the information it holds.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby rjsterry » Thu Sep 19, 2019 09:43 am

Tangled Metal wrote:Sterilization and relabelling standardised pill bottle design.

No issue with most contagious diseases and the ones that sterilization fails on would the patient be walking around in public with it or in a quarantine ward with drugs supplied on trays in paper containers by nurses with PPE on?

Labelling is simply paper stickers anyway. They come off easily.

That leaves the paper leaflet found in boxes, that might be needed separately or a more novel delivery method for the information it holds.


The major issues with reusable bottles is that they are not tamperproof and much more vulnerable to human error - oops, I put 200mg instead of 50mg tablets in the bottle.
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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Slowbike » Thu Sep 19, 2019 09:50 am

rjsterry wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:Sterilization and relabelling standardised pill bottle design.

No issue with most contagious diseases and the ones that sterilization fails on would the patient be walking around in public with it or in a quarantine ward with drugs supplied on trays in paper containers by nurses with PPE on?

Labelling is simply paper stickers anyway. They come off easily.

That leaves the paper leaflet found in boxes, that might be needed separately or a more novel delivery method for the information it holds.


The major issues with reusable bottles is that they are not tamperproof and much more vulnerable to human error - oops, I put 200mg instead of 50mg tablets in the bottle.

It certainly moves the point of error from the pharmacy source to the pharmacist - but surely, not insurmountable? the one you cited - just weigh the bottle after packing it - it should be the right weight, within a small margin of error - the one that would be more tricky is putting the wrong medicine in.
Another thing to note is the prepacked boxes have braille on them - no idea what it says, but I guess it's there for those who can't see ... harder to replicate on a reusable bottle....

I should think they could do away with leafletting every package - just have some available for those who want them - and QR code for those of us with smart phones ...

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Tangled Metal » Thu Sep 19, 2019 09:56 am

I'm mid 40s but I remember seeing pharmacist pouring pills into a plastic pill bottle using a plastic poured. It had two raised edges against which pills went and marks indicated quantity when pills packed neatly against your edges. I think there were different pourers present so I guess standard markings for standard size pills.

Replace the plastic with something else and that system could work for our modern age. Could it also be cheaper buying as loose pills?

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Slowbike » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:06 am

Tangled Metal wrote:I'm mid 40s but I remember seeing pharmacist pouring pills into a plastic pill bottle using a plastic poured. It had two raised edges against which pills went and marks indicated quantity when pills packed neatly against your edges. I think there were different pourers present so I guess standard markings for standard size pills.

Replace the plastic with something else and that system could work for our modern age. Could it also be cheaper buying as loose pills?

Yes - similar experience

Plastic isn't all bad - if it's reusable then it's better. (Clingfilm isn't - it's practically single use .. stop using it!)
Cheaper to buy loose pills? Possibly, but then you've got the time taken to measure out the prescription - so money saved in the raw product is offset by the increase in staff time cost. Much easier/quicker to pick up a pre-packed box.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby rjsterry » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:16 am

Slowbike wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Tangled Metal wrote:Sterilization and relabelling standardised pill bottle design.

No issue with most contagious diseases and the ones that sterilization fails on would the patient be walking around in public with it or in a quarantine ward with drugs supplied on trays in paper containers by nurses with PPE on?

Labelling is simply paper stickers anyway. They come off easily.

That leaves the paper leaflet found in boxes, that might be needed separately or a more novel delivery method for the information it holds.


The major issues with reusable bottles is that they are not tamperproof and much more vulnerable to human error - oops, I put 200mg instead of 50mg tablets in the bottle.

It certainly moves the point of error from the pharmacy source to the pharmacist - but surely, not insurmountable? the one you cited - just weigh the bottle after packing it - it should be the right weight, within a small margin of error - the one that would be more tricky is putting the wrong medicine in.
Another thing to note is the prepacked boxes have braille on them - no idea what it says, but I guess it's there for those who can't see ... harder to replicate on a reusable bottle....

I should think they could do away with leafletting every package - just have some available for those who want them - and QR code for those of us with smart phones ...


The difference in actual tablet weight for varying doses of the active ingredient is not significant. Even in my example it would add 1 or 2 grams to the overall contents. If the doses are in micrograms, that's 6 orders of magnitude different from the weight of the contents of one bottle. Are pharmacy scales accurate to 7 decimal places?
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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Tangled Metal » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:19 am

Then again one of my local pharmacists supply one drug I get in plain boxes and they still have up count out blister packs to fill the prescription. Besides with those pourer/counters it's hardly onerous to count loose pills.

Autocorrect keeps correcting pills as piles. You really don't want to consider loose piles. Pills go to piles, piles go to pillows, pillows goes to pipes. New phone needs to learn my swiping style for typing messages.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Tangled Metal » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:23 am

All tablets have markings. They define the drug and amount in the tablet I believe. Some extra checking entailed but getting it wrong is still negligence. There's so many failure modes already that pharmacists already check prescriptions such that those extra checks might not amount to much extra cost in time or money.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Slowbike » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:30 am

rjsterry wrote: Are pharmacy scales accurate to 7 decimal places?

Probably not - they had the pill pourer (possibly still do) - but it could be another check ...

I'm just trying to think of the reasons for NOT doing loose pills ...

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby Slowbike » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:35 am

Tangled Metal wrote:All tablets have markings. They define the drug and amount in the tablet I believe. Some extra checking entailed but getting it wrong is still negligence. There's so many failure modes already that pharmacists already check prescriptions such that those extra checks might not amount to much extra cost in time or money.


Yes - you are right - how do you mitigate against staff negligence? Make it easier to identify the pills and dose - push it up the chain to the supplier - most of the time medication is prescribed in set doses - get it supplied in those multiples and you reduce the risk of YOU getting it wrong.
Anyone a pharmacist? Would you want to measure out prescriptions into a reusable container?

Perhaps we should just get the suppliers to issue in the bottles by default - then when you go and get your repeat you simply take your container back to be sent back to the supplier .... which just increases the transport requirements.

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Re: Things you have recently learnt

Postby rjsterry » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:44 am

Slowbike wrote:
rjsterry wrote: Are pharmacy scales accurate to 7 decimal places?

Probably not - they had the pill pourer (possibly still do) - but it could be another check ...

I'm just trying to think of the reasons for NOT doing loose pills ...


As I mentioned, tamper proofing.
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