May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

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May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

Postby Matthewfalle » Fri May 24, 2019 09:12 am

she has finally announced she is going.

where does this leave it all.

discuss.
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Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D

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He's right you know.

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Re: May has gone - ding dong the witch is gone

Postby bompington » Fri May 24, 2019 09:14 am

Who knows? But one thing's for sure, it doesn't leave us better off.

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Re: May has gone - ding dong the witch is gone

Postby Robert88 » Fri May 24, 2019 09:17 am

So what month is this now then?

Anyway, whilst I dislike her, I think 'witch' is perhaps harsh especially as her spell in power didn't work out.

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Postby Ben6899 » Fri May 24, 2019 09:21 am

Robert88 wrote:So what month is this now then?

Anyway, whilst I dislike her, I think 'witch' is perhaps harsh especially as her spell in power didn't work out.


Her voting history is deplorable though.
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Re: May has gone - ding dong the witch is gone

Postby rjsterry » Fri May 24, 2019 09:21 am

bompington wrote:Who knows? But one thing's for sure, it doesn't leave us better off.


Indeed. Adrift would be my answer.
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Re: May has gone - ding dong the witch is gone

Postby Shirley Basso » Fri May 24, 2019 09:22 am

This from BBC comments:

Her 3 year legacy:

Inherited the first Conservative election majority since 1992. Called an unnecessary election and lost the majority.

Her flagship policy suffered a record defeat in the Commons.

40 ministers resign from her government.

Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Huge losses at council and European elections.


And the positives:

None.

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Postby Pross » Fri May 24, 2019 09:35 am

It's a mess. A pointless referendum that very few people wanted in order to tried to fix internal divisions within a political party and all it has achieved is to make those Party divisions even wider whilst also splitting the general population that previously weren't bothered. You have to be either mad or a narcissist (or both) to want to take on the leadership in the current situation so there won't be a shortage of applicants.

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Postby bompington » Fri May 24, 2019 09:38 am

Shirley Basso wrote:Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.

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Postby KingstonGraham » Fri May 24, 2019 09:41 am

bompington wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.


:lol:

Yes, I blame that lot.
and then the next thing you know

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Re: May has gone - ding dong the witch is gone

Postby Shirley Basso » Fri May 24, 2019 09:48 am

Did you watch the channel 4 mini-film about the brexit campaign with Benedict Cumberbatch?

Fascinating and terrifying

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Postby Matthewfalle » Fri May 24, 2019 10:15 am

Shirley Basso wrote:This from BBC comments:

Her 3 year legacy:

Inherited the first Conservative election majority since 1992. Called an unnecessary election and lost the majority.

Her flagship policy suffered a record defeat in the Commons.

40 ministers resign from her government.

Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Huge losses at council and European elections.


And the positives:

None.


in addition .....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... esignation
Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D

smithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.

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Re: May has gone - ding dong the witch is gone

Postby Rick Chasey » Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 am

bompington wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.


If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...

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Postby Veronese68 » Fri May 24, 2019 10:47 am

rjsterry wrote:
bompington wrote:Who knows? But one thing's for sure, it doesn't leave us better off.

Indeed. Adrift would be my answer.

Unfortunately I believe this to be true.

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Postby Tangled Metal » Fri May 24, 2019 11:11 am

Didn't she announce she'd be leaving before? I know that was an attempt at bribing MPs to vote for the WA by saying she'd quit when it hit through but it did mean she was still on her way out. She was pretty much dead politically then. As with Brexit she dragged it out a bit too long.

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Postby Surrey Commuter » Fri May 24, 2019 11:27 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
bompington wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.


If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...


should have figured out her plan before triggering A50, then would have realised ERG were the problem not the solution which would have meant building consensus in the middle.

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Postby homers double » Fri May 24, 2019 11:35 am

Her job was no doubt the worst of all and whatever she did there will always be haters.

Adrift is a pretty good description of where we are now.
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Postby john80 » Fri May 24, 2019 12:11 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
bompington wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.


If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...


I am actually curious in terms of how far you are willing to take this. So she agrees to pay into the EU for trade, agrees free movement of people, agrees to a customs union where we can't then control our trade policy with nations outside the EU. The reason we have got to this point is that a large majority of pro remain MP's thought the answer was to continue to compromise till the point we had even less control that at present. That is a deal that Rodders would be proud of.

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Postby Rick Chasey » Fri May 24, 2019 12:18 pm

john80 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
bompington wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.


If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...


I am actually curious in terms of how far you are willing to take this. So she agrees to pay into the EU for trade, agrees free movement of people, agrees to a customs union where we can't then control our trade policy with nations outside the EU. The reason we have got to this point is that a large majority of pro remain MP's thought the answer was to continue to compromise till the point we had even less control that at present. That is a deal that Rodders would be proud of.


Well that was the Brexit that was campaigned on by the main leave protagonists. Given that fact, and the result of the referendum, surely that is the only Brexit that actually has a mandate?

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Postby Rick Chasey » Fri May 24, 2019 12:24 pm

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-pr ... eferendum/

here, about half way down, Brexit does not mean leaving the single market is said explicit by Gove, Johnson and Hannan and even Aaron Banks and Farage talk about the "Norway option" in the campaign.

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Postby rjsterry » Fri May 24, 2019 12:48 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-union-referendum/

here, about half way down, Brexit does not mean leaving the single market is said explicit by Gove, Johnson and Hannan and even Aaron Banks and Farage talk about the "Norway option" in the campaign.


The argument is that May then called a GE with a manifesto containing a different version of Brexit. The result of that GE provided a mandate - albeit a weak one - for the that different version of Brexit.
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