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Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you

Postby earth » Fri May 03, 2019 22:24 pm

The sun and the moon.

During a solar eclipse the moon appears from your vantage point on the earth to exactly the same diameter as the sun. Any smaller or further away and the moon would be a spot surrounded by the sun. Any larger or closer and the sun would be a dot behind the moon, completely obscured. Instead the moon is precisely the right size and distance from earth appear to be exactly the same size as the sun, thus there is a corona around the moon.

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Postby Robert88 » Sat May 04, 2019 06:38 am

Why do people think there is a god?

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Postby Chris Bass » Sat May 04, 2019 08:31 am

Robert88 wrote:Why do people think there is a god?


because people like to have answers for things they can't explain and are comforted by the thought of some caring being looking over them!

to me, it is nonsense though!
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Postby Lagrange » Sat May 04, 2019 08:33 am

Robert88 wrote:Why do people think there is a god?


I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

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Postby sungod » Sat May 04, 2019 08:48 am

Lagrange wrote:I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

god == imaginary friend

there's no supporting evidence, they are the same delusion

to say "Some people think there is no god." is the equivalent of " Some people think there is no flying spaghetti monster."

people who say these things are evidence based, they are not delusional
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Postby Pross » Sat May 04, 2019 10:18 am

Robert88 wrote:Why do people think there is a god?


Lack of plausible / understandable scientific explanation for the existence of the Universe?

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Postby Wayne Plunger » Sat May 04, 2019 11:33 am

Where is my left glove?

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Postby rjsterry » Sat May 04, 2019 11:52 am

sungod wrote:
Lagrange wrote:I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

god == imaginary friend

there's no supporting evidence, they are the same delusion

to say "Some people think there is no god." is the equivalent of " Some people think there is no flying spaghetti monster."

people who say these things are evidence based, they are not delusional


How does a delusion differ from the partial and subjective interpretations of sensory stimuli?
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Postby rjsterry » Sat May 04, 2019 13:07 pm

That facial expressions are instinctual and universal rather than learnt. How is a smile encoded in DNA?
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Postby Pross » Sat May 04, 2019 14:00 pm

That a Subway can run out of bread, all types not just one, by lunchtime. It's not like it is a minor item in their stock.

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Postby earth » Sat May 04, 2019 18:47 pm

sungod wrote:
Lagrange wrote:I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

god == imaginary friend

there's no supporting evidence, they are the same delusion

to say "Some people think there is no god." is the equivalent of " Some people think there is no flying spaghetti monster."

people who say these things are evidence based, they are not delusional


I'm not arguing that there is a god but I am going to argue that people in the science arena operate on faith without evidence as well.

Einsteins relativity theories predict there should be far more matter in the universe than we have evidence for. We can only see 5% of what the theory predicts. So rather than take the view that the theory is wrong because reality does not support it, instead the theory of dark matter was created. But there is still no evidence for dark matter yet people still believe the theories. So there you have a perfect example of people of science believing something they have no evidence for and cannot prove.

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Postby Webboo » Sat May 04, 2019 19:25 pm

earth wrote:
sungod wrote:
Lagrange wrote:I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

god == imaginary friend

there's no supporting evidence, they are the same delusion

to say "Some people think there is no god." is the equivalent of " Some people think there is no flying spaghetti monster."

people who say these things are evidence based, they are not delusional


I'm not arguing that there is a god but I am going to argue that people in the science arena operate on faith without evidence as well.

Einsteins relativity theories predict there should be far more matter in the universe than we have evidence for. We can only see 5% of what the theory predicts. So rather than take the view that the theory is wrong because reality does not support it, instead the theory of dark matter was created. But there is still no evidence for dark matter yet people still believe the theories. So there you have a perfect example of people of science believing something they have no evidence for and cannot prove.

Yet I have yet to see buildings with spire/ domes or the like built in the worship of Einstein with men wearing dresses leading th worshippers.

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Postby TheBigBean » Sat May 04, 2019 19:50 pm

Whether another Newton / Einstein will be born, and if they are, will they be able to have a similar impact.

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Postby rjsterry » Sat May 04, 2019 21:18 pm

Webboo wrote:
earth wrote:
sungod wrote:
Lagrange wrote:I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

god == imaginary friend

there's no supporting evidence, they are the same delusion

to say "Some people think there is no god." is the equivalent of " Some people think there is no flying spaghetti monster."

people who say these things are evidence based, they are not delusional


I'm not arguing that there is a god but I am going to argue that people in the science arena operate on faith without evidence as well.

Einsteins relativity theories predict there should be far more matter in the universe than we have evidence for. We can only see 5% of what the theory predicts. So rather than take the view that the theory is wrong because reality does not support it, instead the theory of dark matter was created. But there is still no evidence for dark matter yet people still believe the theories. So there you have a perfect example of people of science believing something they have no evidence for and cannot prove.

Yet I have yet to see buildings with spire/ domes or the like built in the worship of Einstein with men wearing dresses leading th worshippers.


I think you misunderstood earth's point.
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Postby bonk king » Sun May 05, 2019 05:19 am

When scientists can't get their heads round something that is way way above their understanding and so try and come up with solutions, and then because they've come up with said solution we are all led to believe it's fact, because the clever scientists come up with the idea. Big bang theory!!! I mean, why don't they just hold their hands up and say, "hmmm, haven't got a scooby about that one, next question".

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Postby sungod » Sun May 05, 2019 06:31 am

earth wrote:
sungod wrote:
Lagrange wrote:I think that it is faith or belief. Some people think there is no god.

god == imaginary friend

there's no supporting evidence, they are the same delusion

to say "Some people think there is no god." is the equivalent of " Some people think there is no flying spaghetti monster."

people who say these things are evidence based, they are not delusional


I'm not arguing that there is a god but I am going to argue that people in the science arena operate on faith without evidence as well.

Einsteins relativity theories predict there should be far more matter in the universe than we have evidence for. We can only see 5% of what the theory predicts. So rather than take the view that the theory is wrong because reality does not support it, instead the theory of dark matter was created. But there is still no evidence for dark matter yet people still believe the theories. So there you have a perfect example of people of science believing something they have no evidence for and cannot prove.

that's a misunderstanding of how science works and the role of theory

the theory of general relativity is known to be an incomplete description of how things are, i.e. it's 'wrong'

scientists know this, but for many purposes it is the best theory we have, for others it is no use, if we are ever smart/lucky enough to come up with a better theory then gr will be discarded - or perhaps retained for some uses if it's simpler, just as we continue to teach and apply classical mechanics for the majority of human activity, even though it's clearly 'wrong'

scientists do not 'believe' theories, they use them as a basis to proceed on, that's how science advances, theories are formed, tested as the ability to do so develops, and either confirmed or disproved, but even wrong theories can still be useful (i.e. classical mechanics)

when gell-mann and ne'eman (independently) predicted there would be a particle of strangeness -3 with a certain rest mass, that was based upon theory, the theory was tested, hey presto omega minus, if there had been no match then the theory would have been found wrong and we'd move on to repair it or try something different
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Postby Chris Bass » Sun May 05, 2019 08:54 am

bonk king wrote:When scientists can't get their heads round something that is way way above their understanding and so try and come up with solutions, and then because they've come up with said solution we are all led to believe it's fact, because the clever scientists come up with the idea. Big bang theory!!! I mean, why don't they just hold their hands up and say, "hmmm, haven't got a scooby about that one, next question".


that sort of is what they say!

what is your understanding of what the big bang theory actually is?
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Postby TheBigBean » Sun May 05, 2019 09:20 am

rjsterry wrote:That facial expressions are instinctual and universal rather than learnt. How is a smile encoded in DNA?


Vaguely related - that everyone looks different and can be distinguished by the human eye despite there being billions of people.

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Postby rjsterry » Sun May 05, 2019 09:36 am

TheBigBean wrote:
rjsterry wrote:That facial expressions are instinctual and universal rather than learnt. How is a smile encoded in DNA?


Vaguely related - that everyone looks different and can be distinguished by the human eye despite there being billions of people.


And pareidolia, too.

And to link in with the god conversation, that humans have such vivid imaginations. How could you establish whether other animals have imagination?
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Postby Chris Bass » Sun May 05, 2019 09:39 am

rjsterry wrote:
TheBigBean wrote:
rjsterry wrote:That facial expressions are instinctual and universal rather than learnt. How is a smile encoded in DNA?


Vaguely related - that everyone looks different and can be distinguished by the human eye despite there being billions of people.


And pareidolia, too.

And to link in with the god conversation, that humans have such vivid imaginations. How could you establish whether other animals have imagination?


You can see dogs dreaming (or moving as if they are while asleep) so I guess that must mean they have imaginations, maybe?
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