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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 21:31 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby rjsterry » Fri Sep 20, 2019 21:52 pm

Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 22:10 pm

rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Rick Chasey » Sat Sep 21, 2019 06:10 am

Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Robert88 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 06:37 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.


So is Brexit. Just in case we forget :lol:

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby TheBigBean » Sat Sep 21, 2019 07:56 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.


It wasn't. The UK wide backstop was the UK's idea. The NI only backstop which came first was the EU's idea. The problem being that it is not consistent with the GFA/BA.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Robert88 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 08:32 am

TheBigBean wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.


It wasn't. The UK wide backstop was the UK's idea. The NI only backstop which came first was the EU's idea. The problem being that it is not consistent with the GFA/BA.


That is a simplistic (Brexiteer) interpretation touted by Johnson.

Unfortunately any peace in Ireland is underpinned by the UK being in the EU. As Maggie would have said: "there is no alternative" (TINA).

Other than to renegotiate the so-called Good Friday Agreement.

That'd be fun, and I am sure Johnson would commit to doing it before the end of the month if it furthered his career.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Stevo 666 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 08:58 am

Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.

We are talking about alternatives to the backstop now - in case you forgot, the deal with the backbackstop was rejected 3 times by parliament.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby PBlakeney » Sat Sep 21, 2019 09:06 am

That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Stevo 666 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 09:15 am

PBlakeney wrote:That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.

So what's your idea?
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Surrey Commuter » Sat Sep 21, 2019 09:23 am

Stevo 666 wrote:
PBlakeney wrote:That'll be the non existent (AFAWK) alternatives to the UK proposal which was rejected by the UK parliament 3 times then? Yes, I can see why the EU is getting the blame.

So what's your idea?


If we are serious about protecting UK economy and Irish border then do a Norway with a view that it will either be permanent or a transition period (10 years) until we see an alternative that is beneficial to us.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby PBlakeney » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:09 am

My solution is to revoke A30. It was an advisory vote and right now is looking like a bloody stupid idea. Yes there will be fallout but there will be fallout with every outcome.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Robert88 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:48 am

Brexit: You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby rjsterry » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:06 am

Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


Nevertheless the ball is in our court as the prime minister has accepted.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby bobmcstuff » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:27 am

KingstonGraham wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Westminster Voting Intention

CON: 32% (=)
LDM: 23% (+4)
LAB: 21% (-2)
BXP: 14% (=)
GRN: 4% (-3)

Via
@YouGov
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Changes w/ 9-10 Sep.


That's a nice wee bounce.

Labour need to find a coherent policy at conference.

Boris has peaked - it's do or die for him now


Projected onto seats, Lib Dems get something like 23 seats, so it's not all that exciting.

(Saw this on twitter by someone who does it for a living)



Ok not quite right

YouGov - 2019-09-18
Con: 32%
LDem: 23%
Lab: 21%
BRX: 14%
Grn: 4%
SNP: 4%
PC: 1%
UKIP: 1%

Flavible Projection
CON: 331 (+13)
LAB: 155 (-107)
LDEM: 88 (+76)
SNP: 51 (+16)
PC: 6 (+2)
GRN: 1 (-)
Changes w/ 2017


So the Tories go down 10% of the vote and up 13 seats. That seems fair.


To me it seems grossly offensive that LDs should beat Labour by % and end up with less than 60% the number of seats Labour has.

System is utterly f*cked.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Rick Chasey » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:30 am

Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.

We are talking about alternatives to the backstop now - in case you forgot, the deal with the backbackstop was rejected 3 times by parliament.


Yeah so it’s the U.K. rejecting everything. Glad that’s cleared up.

All the suggestions since the WA from the U.K. are nonesense as they require the EU to either fully undermine its entire premise, or don’t solve the problem.

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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Cowsham » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:22 pm

Heard that Boris Johnston has been insulted and shouted at in a different place each day this week.
He should have stayed at home with his girlfriend.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby SecretSam » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:41 pm

Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...

I seem to recall it was us who wanted to leave.
They don't have to make it easy, or fair.
And they have their own citizens and interests to protect.
Plus... most of our proposals have been unworkable. Or destroyed the GFA, which the EU underwrote.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby Stevo 666 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:What happens to the border in a hard brexit scenario.


Hard border innit.

If the EU continue to reject all UK suggestions, this is what they will get...


First we need to make some suggestions. We've very specifically stated that we won't be making any formal suggestions until we are ready.

That is still what will happen if they reject all suggestions.


They haven’t.

Backstop was U.K. idea, remember.

We are talking about alternatives to the backstop now - in case you forgot, the deal with the backbackstop was rejected 3 times by parliament.


Yeah so it’s the U.K. rejecting everything. Glad that’s cleared up.

All the suggestions since the WA from the U.K. are nonesense as they require the EU to either fully undermine its entire premise, or don’t solve the problem.

Rock and a hard place really unless one side gives, which looks unlikely at present (unless there is some change on the UK political front) - as there's no real overlap between the EU and UK positions on the Irish issue. Hence my guess of a 50% chance of a no deal.
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Re: BREXIT - Complete Meltdown

Postby morstar » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:59 pm

For fear of repetition.
It's a basic logic problem.
You either have regulatory alignment across the entire island of Ireland or across the whole of the UK. The decision made there dictates where the regulatory border is. On land or in the sea.
A=B
B=C
A<>C
is a logical fallacy.

A = Laws of Mainland GB
B = Laws of NI
C = Laws of Eire

Compromise is always an option but it seems it is OK for ERG and Dup to refuse to compromise but not for EU.

Sea border is the simple solution if you remove emotion from the equation but this is Brexit.


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