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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby Rolf F » Tue Jun 18, 2019 09:12 am

TailWindHome wrote:Image


Shameful. But no surprise. How do we end up putting people in charge of the country who regard it as so inconsequential?
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby rjsterry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 09:29 am

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Johnson is perfect for them. He will promise them an imaginary world that cannot exist, then fail. Let's say 75% of the 160,000 then defect to Farage. Does that change anything at all?
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby Rick Chasey » Tue Jun 18, 2019 09:34 am

So what happens when BoJo is elected and then he is unable to do anything in the two weeks of Parliament before the deadline, and inevitably has to go cap in hand to the EU to ask for an extension?

In what realistic way is this not the only scenario available if he gets elected?

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby DrHaggis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 09:43 am

Rick Chasey wrote:So what happens when BoJo is elected and then he is unable to do anything in the two weeks of Parliament before the deadline, and inevitably has to go cap in hand to the EU to ask for an extension?

In what realistic way is this not the only scenario available if he gets elected?


Well, he could lose an NCV, which, incredibly, isn't too outlandish a claim.

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby KingstonGraham » Tue Jun 18, 2019 09:59 am

DrHaggis wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:So what happens when BoJo is elected and then he is unable to do anything in the two weeks of Parliament before the deadline, and inevitably has to go cap in hand to the EU to ask for an extension?

In what realistic way is this not the only scenario available if he gets elected?


Well, he could lose an NCV, which, incredibly, isn't too outlandish a claim.


What are the rules about someone becoming Prime Minister without having a commons majority? Is he automatically PM even though it was Theresa May that was asked to form the government?
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby rjsterry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:08 am

DrHaggis wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:So what happens when BoJo is elected and then he is unable to do anything in the two weeks of Parliament before the deadline, and inevitably has to go cap in hand to the EU to ask for an extension?

In what realistic way is this not the only scenario available if he gets elected?


Well, he could lose an NCV, which, incredibly, isn't too outlandish a claim.


Which presents the headbangers illustrated in the chart above with a dilemma. Most of the polls show a win for Labour in a GE, but if Johnson, their great hope, has just failed to produce a unicorn from a hat, what are they going to do? A vote for Farage lets Corbyn in, and Farage's economic policies (in as much as there are any) are even more dangerous than McDonnell's.
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby Pinno » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:49 am

Farage hasn't a single seat in Parliament.
Why are they giving this khunt Oxygen?

Farage will not be PM.
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby bompington » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:54 am

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I could stomach Brexiteers' arguments when they were trying to make a case that it would benefit the UK. But it's become the end in itself, a religious article of faith, hasn't it? Doesn't matter if everything goes to hell, we must deliver Brexit!

It is funny (in the most depressing possible sense of the word) how they say that only thing that would make them back down on Brexit is the spectre of Corbyn - yet their actions make him increasingly more likely to be PM.

Fools.

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby rjsterry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:01 pm

Pinno wrote:Farage hasn't a single seat in Parliament.
Why are they giving this khunt Oxygen?

Farage will not be PM.


Because for all his narcissistic populist bilge, he does at the root of it have a point. The Tories promised they would take us out of the EU and they haven't.
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby Rick Chasey » Tue Jun 18, 2019 20:23 pm

bompington wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Image

I could stomach Brexiteers' arguments when they were trying to make a case that it would benefit the UK. But it's become the end in itself, a religious article of faith, hasn't it? Doesn't matter if everything goes to hell, we must deliver Brexit!

It is funny (in the most depressing possible sense of the word) how they say that only thing that would make them back down on Brexit is the spectre of Corbyn - yet their actions make him increasingly more likely to be PM.

Fools.


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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby john80 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 08:35 am

The next PM can walk us to No Deal and all that parliament can do is call a no confidence vote in the Government and hope that Tory MP's revolt in sufficient numbers to result in a general election. This I believe is the legal standpoint. Even in this scenario you are relying on the EU agreeing to an extension and if we know anything from prior experience it is likely that this would have some terms attached to it that would guess what be unfavourable. I am not sure those Tory MP's would survive this within their constituencies so it is a question of how committed they are to no Brexit.

I wonder how many times we can say that we are leaving on a date and force companies such as car industries to shut down factories or stock pile parts and then whinge about the loss of production. #Embarassing.

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby KingstonGraham » Wed Jun 19, 2019 08:40 am

john80 wrote:The next PM can walk us to No Deal and all that parliament can do is call a no confidence vote in the Government and hope that Tory MP's revolt in sufficient numbers to result in a general election. This I believe is the legal standpoint. Even in this scenario you are relying on the EU agreeing to an extension and if we know anything from prior experience it is likely that this would have some terms attached to it that would guess what be unfavourable. I am not sure those Tory MP's would survive this within their constituencies so it is a question of how committed they are to no Brexit.

I wonder how many times we can say that we are leaving on a date and force companies such as car industries to shut down factories or stock pile parts and then whinge about the loss of production. #Embarassing.


If there is a no confidence vote, and sufficient MPs in the current switch their support to an alternative PM, would there need to be a general election? Can the Queen ask someone else to try to form a government?

If it's about giving control back to the UK Parliament, that would make sense. Then if we don't get an extension, the new government can revoke A50 to avoid a no-deal exit.

Not saying any of that is likely, but surely possible if the chaos builds to sufficient levels of insanity.
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby KingstonGraham » Wed Jun 19, 2019 08:44 am

I wonder what the opinion polls would say if there were a direct choice between Brexit and a return to weekly bin collections.
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby rjsterry » Wed Jun 19, 2019 08:49 am

john80 wrote:The next PM can walk us to No Deal and all that parliament can do is call a no confidence vote in the Government and hope that Tory MP's revolt in sufficient numbers to result in a general election. This I believe is the legal standpoint. Even in this scenario you are relying on the EU agreeing to an extension and if we know anything from prior experience it is likely that this would have some terms attached to it that would guess what be unfavourable. I am not sure those Tory MP's would survive this within their constituencies so it is a question of how committed they are to no Brexit.

I wonder how many times we can say that we are leaving on a date and force companies such as car industries to shut down factories or stock pile parts and then whinge about the loss of production. #Embarassing.


What unfavourable terms were attached to the previous two extensions?
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby darkhairedlord » Wed Jun 19, 2019 09:02 am

KingstonGraham wrote:I wonder what the opinion polls would say if there were a direct choice between Brexit and a return to weekly bin collections.

Brexit vs bring-back-hanging

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby Surrey Commuter » Wed Jun 19, 2019 09:22 am

john80 wrote:The next PM can walk us to No Deal and all that parliament can do is call a no confidence vote in the Government and hope that Tory MP's revolt in sufficient numbers to result in a general election. This I believe is the legal standpoint. Even in this scenario you are relying on the EU agreeing to an extension and if we know anything from prior experience it is likely that this would have some terms attached to it that would guess what be unfavourable. I am not sure those Tory MP's would survive this within their constituencies so it is a question of how committed they are to no Brexit.

I wonder how many times we can say that we are leaving on a date and force companies such as car industries to shut down factories or stock pile parts and then whinge about the loss of production. #Embarassing.


you just need to continue the thought process... why are we pursuing a policy that results in the car industry shutting down factories and stockpiling parts.

Anyway the car industry seems to be adopting a more long term risk reduction policy.

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby Robert88 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 09:51 am

john80 wrote:The next PM can walk us to No Deal and all that parliament can do is call a no confidence vote in the Government and hope that Tory MP's revolt in sufficient numbers to result in a general election. This I believe is the legal standpoint. Even in this scenario you are relying on the EU agreeing to an extension and if we know anything from prior experience it is likely that this would have some terms attached to it that would guess what be unfavourable. I am not sure those Tory MP's would survive this within their constituencies so it is a question of how committed they are to no Brexit.

I wonder how many times we can say that we are leaving on a date and force companies such as car industries to shut down factories or stock pile parts and then whinge about the loss of production. #Embarassing.


Yes, and we don't want to embarrass ourselves in the eyes of the world, do we?

I mean they might think we were stupid.

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby narbs » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:00 am

KingstonGraham wrote:I wonder what the opinion polls would say if there were a direct choice between Brexit and a return to weekly bin collections.


I remain firmly of the belief that had the UK imposed migration limits on the accession countries in the early 2000s (as other EU members did) and switched to blue passports (never been anything stopping that) we wouldn't be in this mess.

Businesses benefited from being able to fill low-skilled vacancies which UK workers wouldn't or couldn't take up, we all benefited from more care workers and cheaper, skilled tradespeople and successive governments let the EU take the blame when people moaned about immigrants.

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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby PBlakeney » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:51 am

darkhairedlord wrote:
KingstonGraham wrote:I wonder what the opinion polls would say if there were a direct choice between Brexit and a return to weekly bin collections.

Brexit vs bring-back-hanging

Pretty certain that was one of the reasons for voting Brexit, so the old ideas could be reinstated.
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Re: BREXIT - Ich Bin Auslander

Postby KingstonGraham » Wed Jun 19, 2019 14:13 pm

narbs wrote:
KingstonGraham wrote:I wonder what the opinion polls would say if there were a direct choice between Brexit and a return to weekly bin collections.


I remain firmly of the belief that had the UK imposed migration limits on the accession countries in the early 2000s (as other EU members did) and switched to blue passports (never been anything stopping that) we wouldn't be in this mess.

Businesses benefited from being able to fill low-skilled vacancies which UK workers wouldn't or couldn't take up, we all benefited from more care workers and cheaper, skilled tradespeople and successive governments let the EU take the blame when people moaned about immigrants.


I remain firmly convinced people don't really care about the EU. That's my hot take.
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