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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Ballysmate » Fri Aug 30, 2019 06:22 am

There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.

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Postby Shirley Basso » Fri Aug 30, 2019 07:26 am

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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby rjsterry » Fri Aug 30, 2019 07:28 am

Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 08:29 am

rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby rjsterry » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:17 am

Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.



Your theory has been implemented in the US and shown to be wrong. They lock up far more people for far longer and violent crime rates are still far higher. Criminals need to be caught, tried and convicted before sentencing comes into it. The promise of extra police - which still only gets us back to where we were in 2010 - only addresses the first bit. There is no corresponding pledge for the courts system. Courts sitting empty is already an issue.

The promised expansion of prisons just about keeps up with the existing overcrowding and the last round of sentencing review. Even if it comes to pass - as I say the last promise of expansion is still unfulfilled 5 years later - it won't materially increase capacity for longer sentences.

It's good campaign material but a sentencing review will make no difference to incidence of crime.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Ben6899 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:57 am

Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Wait. Are you saying he asked for a shoeing?
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Ballysmate » Fri Aug 30, 2019 17:19 pm

Ben6899 wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Wait. Are you saying he asked for a shoeing?


I have re read my post several times and if that is what you think I am saying you have totally misunderstood.

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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 17:23 pm

rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.



Your theory has been implemented in the US and shown to be wrong. They lock up far more people for far longer and violent crime rates are still far higher. Criminals need to be caught, tried and convicted before sentencing comes into it. The promise of extra police - which still only gets us back to where we were in 2010 - only addresses the first bit. There is no corresponding pledge for the courts system. Courts sitting empty is already an issue.

The promised expansion of prisons just about keeps up with the existing overcrowding and the last round of sentencing review. Even if it comes to pass - as I say the last promise of expansion is still unfulfilled 5 years later - it won't materially increase capacity for longer sentences.

It's good campaign material but a sentencing review will make no difference to incidence of crime.

So how do criminals commit crimes against the general public while they are in prison?
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Robert88 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 19:37 pm

Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.



Your theory has been implemented in the US and shown to be wrong. They lock up far more people for far longer and violent crime rates are still far higher. Criminals need to be caught, tried and convicted before sentencing comes into it. The promise of extra police - which still only gets us back to where we were in 2010 - only addresses the first bit. There is no corresponding pledge for the courts system. Courts sitting empty is already an issue.

The promised expansion of prisons just about keeps up with the existing overcrowding and the last round of sentencing review. Even if it comes to pass - as I say the last promise of expansion is still unfulfilled 5 years later - it won't materially increase capacity for longer sentences.

It's good campaign material but a sentencing review will make no difference to incidence of crime.

So how do criminals commit crimes against the general public while they are in prison?


Let's suppose the prisoner has a family. Lock up the breadwinner and you get feral kids.

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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Ballysmate » Fri Aug 30, 2019 20:58 pm

Robert88 wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.



Your theory has been implemented in the US and shown to be wrong. They lock up far more people for far longer and violent crime rates are still far higher. Criminals need to be caught, tried and convicted before sentencing comes into it. The promise of extra police - which still only gets us back to where we were in 2010 - only addresses the first bit. There is no corresponding pledge for the courts system. Courts sitting empty is already an issue.

The promised expansion of prisons just about keeps up with the existing overcrowding and the last round of sentencing review. Even if it comes to pass - as I say the last promise of expansion is still unfulfilled 5 years later - it won't materially increase capacity for longer sentences.

It's good campaign material but a sentencing review will make no difference to incidence of crime.

So how do criminals commit crimes against the general public while they are in prison?


Let's suppose the prisoner has a family. Lock up the breadwinner and you get feral kids.


Yeah, people guilty of violent crimes are such good role models.

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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 21:17 pm

Robert88 wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.



Your theory has been implemented in the US and shown to be wrong. They lock up far more people for far longer and violent crime rates are still far higher. Criminals need to be caught, tried and convicted before sentencing comes into it. The promise of extra police - which still only gets us back to where we were in 2010 - only addresses the first bit. There is no corresponding pledge for the courts system. Courts sitting empty is already an issue.

The promised expansion of prisons just about keeps up with the existing overcrowding and the last round of sentencing review. Even if it comes to pass - as I say the last promise of expansion is still unfulfilled 5 years later - it won't materially increase capacity for longer sentences.

It's good campaign material but a sentencing review will make no difference to incidence of crime.

So how do criminals commit crimes against the general public while they are in prison?


Let's suppose the prisoner has a family. Lock up the breadwinner and you get feral kids.

So you think people should get a free pass for violent crime because they have kids? Might cause a tiny bit of dysfunctional behaviour.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Robert88 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 07:39 am

Stevo 666 wrote:
Robert88 wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:There is a comment btl which seems to sum it up.

What middle-class lefties often forget though is that violent crime disproportionately affects the working class, hence the call for tougher sentences, for example, for carrying a knife from working-class voters. It's all well and good to call it class war when it doesn't affect you.

Perhaps OJ has a greater understanding now.


Is there any evidence that 'tougher sentences' (whatever those are) make the slightest difference to crime rates? I don't have much time for Jones and he might be a bit off target with that article, but it's not much of a stretch to suggest that Johnson's 'pledge' - a word that now seems to mean a promise that will not be fulfilled - is just a bit of campaigning aimed at his core vote. It's not even a new commitment: Liz Truss promised the same increase in prison accommodation back when she was justice secretary and it's still just a promise.

If you're banged up in jail then it's a bit difficult to commit crimes against the public at large. So I would say it does work, unless other criminals commit more crime to keep the average up.



Your theory has been implemented in the US and shown to be wrong. They lock up far more people for far longer and violent crime rates are still far higher. Criminals need to be caught, tried and convicted before sentencing comes into it. The promise of extra police - which still only gets us back to where we were in 2010 - only addresses the first bit. There is no corresponding pledge for the courts system. Courts sitting empty is already an issue.

The promised expansion of prisons just about keeps up with the existing overcrowding and the last round of sentencing review. Even if it comes to pass - as I say the last promise of expansion is still unfulfilled 5 years later - it won't materially increase capacity for longer sentences.

It's good campaign material but a sentencing review will make no difference to incidence of crime.

So how do criminals commit crimes against the general public while they are in prison?


Let's suppose the prisoner has a family. Lock up the breadwinner and you get feral kids.

So you think people should get a free pass for violent crime because they have kids? Might cause a tiny bit of dysfunctional behaviour.



Prison is not the only way that crime can be punished. It is very archaic.

Maybe we should go down the Chinese route whereby citizenship wins Brownie points and bad behaviour sees them taken away.

In a sense we already do that through credit-scoring, there is an advertisement that explains how it works and if you are low on points you end up living in squalor (probably Sunderland) driving a cr4ppy old Ford Escort instead of maybe a shiny new Jaguar?

Whaddaya say?

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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Stevo 666 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 09:41 am

Robert88 wrote:Prison is not the only way that crime can be punished. It is very archaic.

Maybe we should go down the Chinese route whereby citizenship wins Brownie points and bad behaviour sees them taken away.

In a sense we already do that through credit-scoring, there is an advertisement that explains how it works and if you are low on points you end up living in squalor (probably Sunderland) driving a cr4ppy old Ford Escort instead of maybe a shiny new Jaguar?

Whaddaya say?

Agree that prison is not the only way but where we are talking violent crime and potential risk to the public then it most likely is the most apprpriate way.

As for your idea, the citizenship idea sounds like something that could fit in neatly with Brexit. Mention it to Boris.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby john80 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 14:38 pm

Reducing crime is solved by the carrot and the stick. Do serious crime and you get a long sentence as a punishment. During the sentence we educate and rehabilitate to minimise the reoffending rates. We currently do the stick but the carrot is missing until the hang them and flog them brigade get the picture that this has a long track history of not working.

Sending people to jail for a week is pointless.

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Re: The Irony Thread

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Re: The Irony Thread

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The super woke Justin Trudeau being outed as the Al Jolson of politics.

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Ballysmate wrote:The super woke Justin Trudeau being outed as the Al Jolson of politics.

Anyone who had looked into him in any detail knew he was not quite what he seemed.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:34 pm

rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:The super woke Justin Trudeau being outed as the Al Jolson of politics.

Anyone who had looked into him in any detail knew he was not quite what he seemed.

In what way? (I haven't paid too much attention to him tbh).

In any event, more than a little embarrassing. Imagine the forum activity this would generate if it was BoJo or Trump.
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Re: The Irony Thread

Postby rjsterry » Fri Sep 20, 2019 13:16 pm

Stevo 666 wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Ballysmate wrote:The super woke Justin Trudeau being outed as the Al Jolson of politics.

Anyone who had looked into him in any detail knew he was not quite what he seemed.

In what way? (I haven't paid too much attention to him tbh).

In any event, more than a little embarrassing. Imagine the forum activity this would generate if it was BoJo or Trump.


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