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Re: Top Gear

Postby VTech » Sat Jul 27, 2013 15:53 pm

Yellow Peril wrote:I know it's primarily about showing the general public cars they'll never be able to afford but I do get the impression that they are all so loaded that they do have contempt for anything with 4 wheels that costs below £100k

I used to like watching it but to be honest I haven't bothered to watch any of this series



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Re: Top Gear

Postby CiB » Sat Jul 27, 2013 18:47 pm

VTech wrote:
Yellow Peril wrote:I know it's primarily about showing the general public cars they'll never be able to afford but I do get the impression that they are all so loaded that they do have contempt for anything with 4 wheels that costs below £100k

I used to like watching it but to be honest I haven't bothered to watch any of this series



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Tosh. They've raved about various incarnations of the Focus ST, called the Fiesta Bonkers the best car for your money and raved about lots of other small quick affordable cars. They drove battered old saloons across Africa and declared them brilliant cars. They're enthusiasts, like us here who find it easier to get carried away by a Dogma with electric gears than a Halfords Carrera. It doesn't make us bad people though.

Imagine them coming across this. A bunch of cyclists claiming that TG only cares for exotica. Laughable.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby VTech » Sat Jul 27, 2013 18:56 pm

CiB wrote:
VTech wrote:
Yellow Peril wrote:I know it's primarily about showing the general public cars they'll never be able to afford but I do get the impression that they are all so loaded that they do have contempt for anything with 4 wheels that costs below £100k

I used to like watching it but to be honest I haven't bothered to watch any of this series



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Tosh. They've raved about various incarnations of the Focus ST, called the Fiesta Bonkers the best car for your money and raved about lots of other small quick affordable cars. They drove battered old saloons across Africa and declared them brilliant cars. They're enthusiasts, like us here who find it easier to get carried away by a Dogma with electric gears than a Halfords Carrera. It doesn't make us bad people though.

Imagine them coming across this. A bunch of cyclists claiming that TG only cares for exotica. Laughable.


Im sat with one of the best producers of TG history and he isnt happy with recent direction (would he be happy?)
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Re: Top Gear

Postby Mikey23 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 19:07 pm

Not watched it for a couple of years now... Have a feeling I've not missed much

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Re: Top Gear

Postby Ballysmate » Sat Jul 27, 2013 20:20 pm

Not watched this series, it is Sky+ed though for future viewing if I fancy it. The programme has been going for some years now and is starting to feel a bit stale. We all know the characters that the presenters play, albeit well, and to some extent know what is coming.
The familiarity isn't helped, I suppose, by its constant presence on Dave.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby rodgers73 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 06:03 am

It presents an outlook on cars that I just don't share. I love cars but not the ones that they do. And not for the reasons they do. So, I don't bother.

Clarkson can be a funny bloke when he does understated criticism of cars with some dry wit, rather than playing his comedy character he uses for TG. Clarksons Car Years was a really good series, all done in that vein.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby Rigged » Sun Jul 28, 2013 20:16 pm

Formulaic and predictable.

Like most people I enjoyed it initially but there's only so many times you can spin me the same few jokes and expect a laugh. Everyone has different tolerances for repetition so who am I to tell them not to watch if it still makes them smile. I can always watch a different channel...or more likely turn the TV off.

Don't get me started on Clarkson. He's THE definition of bigoted (or at least that's the character her plays for TG, of course he could be quite different off screen).

It's a good money spinner for the BBC though!

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Re: Top Gear

Postby Cornerblock » Sun Jul 28, 2013 20:29 pm

Rigged wrote: Everyone has different tolerances for repetition so who am I to tell them not to watch if it still makes them smile.


I do know what you mean. :wink:

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Re: Top Gear

Postby giant man » Mon Jul 29, 2013 08:25 am

clarkson is a bit of an anti-cycling idiot, but it's still funny and still has some supercar porn on from time to time, that keeps me happy .... the hovervan was reckless on our precious waterways and very obviously set up, but still pretty funny stuff ...
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Re: Top Gear

Postby GiantMike » Mon Jul 29, 2013 09:32 am

giant man wrote:..the hovervan was reckless on our precious waterways and very obviously set up, but still pretty funny stuff...


I think it's the main issue for me, just how set up everything is. The man knocked out of his rowing boat was obviously stunt man and there were cameras placed everywhere to make sure the 'hilarious moment' was caught.

There was another sequence last year where Clarkson was on a narrow mountain road and met a car coming the other way. There then followed a long sequence about how dangerous it was for the 2 vehicles to pass, with Clarkson teetering on the edge. This was entirely set up. There were lots of different camera angles (showing it had been done over a long period of time) and the Range Rover camera car had obviously already passed the same vehicle, presumably at the safe passing place 100m away.

In the 'race of taxis' there was a sequence where one taxi crashed through a stretched limo. The limo was seen to spin in one section of the track, and then the 'accident' happened in a different section. When one taxi 'unfortunately' crashed through the empty porta-cabin at the side of the track, there was a camera inside to make sure this was caught.

If you're going to this much effort to set scenes up, you might as well make a proper comedy in the first place, with a decent script.

I find it interesting to watch just to spot all the set-ups and I like the camera work, everything is just the same as last week/month/year. Especially the jokes. Has anybody noticed that Hammond is shorter than Jezzer? I'm sure they could make more of that. James May is a bit of a slow driver too. Surely there's more mileage in that.
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Re: Top Gear

Postby markhewitt1978 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 09:58 am

pinarello001 wrote:Its about me and my car and the money. When they were in Madrid, very little was given to the horrendous effects of the recession in Spain and they treated the place like a playground which is beyond contempt.
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Are you serious? Did you actually watch the segment at all? It was almost entirely about the affects of the recession!

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Re: Top Gear

Postby gavbarron » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:20 am

Yellow Peril wrote:I know it's primarily about showing the general public cars they'll never be able to afford


No, it's an entertainment show that features exotica. People who think it is a car show are missing the point of it which is to entertain. If you care about boot size, economy and residual values then it isn't the show for you. If however you want to see some of the worlds finest cars, in some spectacular locations, filmed by some of the best camera/editing teams in the game then watch this, you can even turn the sound off if you don't like the presenters.
If it took itself too seriously then it would essentially become 5th Gear, which is a show that tries to show 'real world cars' AND be fun but in fact it is neither informative nor entertaining.
If people don't like Top Gear then don't watch it, I don't see why people get so upset about it and assume they are far better people because they don't watch it. It is perfectly ok to indulge in something that doesn't challenge the intellect from time to time

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Re: Top Gear

Postby markhewitt1978 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:22 am

A show which reviews real world cars and shows how practical they are is pointless anyway, if you are interested in making a car purchase there's a wealth of resources online and in print media, you don't need a television show to help you.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:01 pm

VTech wrote:
Yellow Peril wrote:I know it's primarily about showing the general public cars they'll never be able to afford but I do get the impression that they are all so loaded that they do have contempt for anything with 4 wheels that costs below £100k

I used to like watching it but to be honest I haven't bothered to watch any of this series



Nail on head.


disagree, they cream in theri pants over the m3 for example. likewise many hot hatches.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:08 pm

its quite good i think, agree it gets repititive and can be tired at times, but when they nail it, they nail it, the majority of the trips are really enterntaining and funny as are some of the reaces, despite the fact its mostly set up and scripted. but it is what it is, its not meant to be autotrader on tv, thats been done and failed. its entertainment themed with cars. thats it and at that it is good. it shouldnt be taken too seriously and 'real'.

persoanlly things like the vietnam, africa, US etc specials are execellent enternatinment with the car theme being very much a post scropt to be honest. if they continue to do these there is a lot of scope to carry on. they do get it wrong, like the indian special, but on the whole its lighhearted, funny ina schoolboy way entertainment.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby Pross » Mon Jul 29, 2013 16:45 pm

markhewitt1978 wrote:
pinarello001 wrote:Its about me and my car and the money. When they were in Madrid, very little was given to the horrendous effects of the recession in Spain and they treated the place like a playground which is beyond contempt.
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Are you serious? Did you actually watch the segment at all? It was almost entirely about the affects of the recession!


This. It may or may not have been their aim (and it could be argued it was done disrespectfully or in bad taste) but I have to admit the ghost towns / ghost airport really brought home to me just how bad things are over there certainly far more than regularly hearing the unemployment / youth unemployment stats. I think it was actually quite cleverly done how they went to one of the areas that still had the super rich enjoying the excesses in life first before highlighting the state of the other parts of the country. I'm pretty sure it wasn't accidental and that in their irreverent way (whether you think that is funny / clever or not) they had actually set out to have that affect. I thought it was probably the best episode they have done for years unlike the hover van or last night's caravan destruction piece which are just regurgitated and predictable (even if I did chuckle at the 'woodland car park' bit).

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Re: Top Gear

Postby ddraver » Tue Jul 30, 2013 09:20 am

+1 Pross!

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Re: Top Gear

Postby GiantMike » Tue Jul 30, 2013 09:46 am

ddraver wrote:@GiantMike - some conspiracy theorist told me that the Tyrannasaurus in Jurassic Park was nt actually real once! I mean really...


I like stories, but I just don't like 'set-ups'. Is a 4x4 trip through Chile not interesting enough without having to add false jeopardy? And it's amazing how many race challenges finish so close. All that way and just minutes apart at the other end. Wow.
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Re: Top Gear

Postby natrix » Tue Jul 30, 2013 09:58 am

VTech wrote:Top gear film crew are amongst the very best.


I'm with you on that one, the filming is very well done. I love some of the lighting effects that they do, it really makes the programme worth watching.

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Re: Top Gear

Postby GiantMike » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:04 am

double post FFS
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