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the nhs

Postby the playing mantis » Tue May 07, 2013 21:03 pm

what are your opinions of it.

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Re: the nhs

Postby MountainMonster » Tue May 07, 2013 21:23 pm

I love questions that aren't questions.

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Re: the nhs

Postby Frank the tank » Wed May 08, 2013 08:52 am

The NHS is fantastic, not perfect but fantastic none the less.
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Postby pliptrot » Wed May 08, 2013 09:04 am

The NHS is excellent and is extremely good value for money. The USA is a perfact example of just how f^&ked-up, not fit for purpose and incredibly expensive a health care system can be once you let the private sector in. Yet we are allowing this to happen in the UK. The US spends more GOVERNMENT money on health care [as a % of GDP] than the UK (and remember most health care in the US is firmly in the private sector) and yet fails completely to meet requirements. European health services (Germany at least) are the best. These are highly regulated and well funded, what many otherwise sensible and perceptive Americans would dismiss as "socialized" medicine. You can make a lot of money as a cardiologist from heart surgery, but not so much from early preventative work. Hence the US system, in a nutshell.

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Re: the nhs

Postby seanoconn » Wed May 08, 2013 09:12 am

Frank the tank wrote:The NHS is fantastic, not perfect but fantastic none the less.

Echo this. My wife unfortunately (very unfortunately, 25 with no family history) is undergoing treatment for breast cancer. The service she's received so far has been top notch. We've had a few delays sitting in the waiting room but as long as long as we're seen on the day it's not a big deal.

I think the problems start once you become an in-patient, they're over stretched and don't have the resources to look after everyone properly. Still too many managers in the NHS earning good money and doing very little.
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Re: the nhs

Postby the playing mantis » Wed May 08, 2013 09:17 am

i disagree. A&E for example is a joke, badly run, disorgainsed the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing. full of attention seekers and hypochondriacs wasting time. i dont understand why there isnt a private version of A&E.

now i appreciate that nursing/healthcare workers have thankless jobs and it must be depressing/grinding and i wouldnt do it in a million years, but no one forced them into it. less attitude from reception and more transparency wouldnt go amiss

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Re: the nhs

Postby ooermissus » Wed May 08, 2013 09:21 am

Can be very very good (specialist cancer care for example) - can be pretty dreadful (try spending time on some of the worst wards where they warehouse sick old people). Pretty cheap for what you get, though not nearly as cheap as it used to be.

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Re: the nhs

Postby the playing mantis » Wed May 08, 2013 09:22 am

to clarify my post crossed with seanocons.

im sorry to hear about ur wife. ur point about in patients is true ime. on the 2 occasions i have had relatives dieing in hospital, the care and attitudes sucked.

i know its a thankless depressing job it must be, but know one forces people into it. it seems wards need a matron type figure as they apparently used to to sort the staff out rather than the endless layers of middle managers

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Postby pliptrot » Wed May 08, 2013 09:31 am

the playing mantis wrote:i disagree. A&E for example is a joke, badly run, disorgainsed the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing. full of attention seekers and hypochondriacs wasting time. i dont understand why there isnt a private version of A&E.

now i appreciate that nursing/healthcare workers have thankless jobs and it must be depressing/grinding and i wouldnt do it in a million years, but no one forced them into it. less attitude from reception and more transparency wouldnt go amiss


You've obviously not used any health care provision in the US. It's just as bad there as you suggest the NHS may be, and you will be presented with a very large bill, whether you are insured or not. There isn't a private A&E here because it would hopelessly unprofitable, unless you could persuade those who use to part with large amounts of money. We should rue that day.

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Re: the nhs

Postby the playing mantis » Wed May 08, 2013 09:35 am

i have no expereince of us healthcare.

as for a private A&E, i would use it. of course i would be charging huge amounts of money. hence it being private. health insurance isnt a bad idea.

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Re: the nhs

Postby verylonglegs » Wed May 08, 2013 09:45 am

It does very much depend on your illness, it's very effective for serious life-threatening problems but for things like sports injuries or back problems etc it can be pretty damn awful and make private healthcare a boon.

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Re: the nhs

Postby ooermissus » Wed May 08, 2013 09:46 am

I used US A&E earlier in the year - long wait in an awful waiting area followed by unbelievably high-tech medical care, with highly impressive medical staff, but who were, I thought, overly biased towards aggressive treatment.

No transparency at all about what it was all going to cost - paid a grand on a credit card on a bill with no detail at all (less than for a latte at Starbucks), supposedly settling the account - only to be pursued for another grand. Have never spent so much money on anything with so little idea of what I was being charged for and why.

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Re: the nhs

Postby SoloSuperia » Wed May 08, 2013 10:06 am

I hold the NHS in high regard from a personal view, always sorted me out no problem.
This little episode backs that up. 59 year old guy a builder has been suffering from bad indigestion using industrial amounts of indigestion tablets to no avail. We all said you've to go to the quacks and get it sorted, which he did last thursday. Put him on a ECG(re-arrange the letters appropriately). You are having a heart attack old son. Cutting to the action was in Papworth Monday, two stents inserted, down the pub Monday night. Before anybody jumps to any conclusions about his drinking, he only popped in to let everyone know he was out of hospital.... It is a village pub and more like a social club in some respects.
Can't compliment the NHS on that enough...........Didn't cost him a penny
AND heart attacks are always wham bang, be aware.

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Re: the nhs

Postby Capt Slog » Wed May 08, 2013 10:39 am

seanoconn wrote:
Frank the tank wrote:The NHS is fantastic, not perfect but fantastic none the less.

Echo this. My wife unfortunately (very unfortunately, 25 with no family history) is undergoing treatment for breast cancer. The service she's received so far has been top notch. We've had a few delays sitting in the waiting room but as long as long as we're seen on the day it's not a big deal.



Sorry to hear that, I hope she gets through it ok, and you too.

I share your opinion, it can be a bit of a ball-ache waiting around* but as long as you're seen and treated well it makes it worthwhile.

(*but how the hell they can 45 mins behind at 9 in the morning is a mystery that will endure)
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Re: the nhs

Postby MountainMonster » Wed May 08, 2013 10:45 am

It is also worth pointing out that the healthcare system in the US may have more percentages of GDP spent on it than in the UK, but the UK receives NI benefits among other tax forms to bring the money, of which these systems were not in place in the states.

Also, because the health care sector is privatised in the US, I have never spent more than an hour waiting to see a doctor in A&E there, however just to have a nurse speak to me about breaking my hand in the UK took over 10 hours. Both systems have their flaws, and no system will ever be perfect.

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Re: the nhs

Postby SoloSuperia » Wed May 08, 2013 11:39 am

SoloSuperia wrote:AND heart attacks are always wham bang, be aware.


That of course should have read Heart attacks are NOT always wham bang.
They can give you quite a bit of warning if you don't ignore any symptoms etc.

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Re: the nhs

Postby Frank the tank » Wed May 08, 2013 11:53 am

the playing mantis wrote:i have no expereince of us healthcare.

as for a private A&E, i would use it. of course i would be charging huge amounts of money. hence it being private. health insurance isnt a bad idea.

'Til you can't afford the premiums and you have a smash on your bike.

Remember we pay NI and when you're no longer earning you still continue to be covered and cared for by the NHS. Soon as your premiums cease to be paid, "go whistle" for your health care.

In the last 12months I've had both my hips resurfaced via the NHS and both the operation itself and the aftercare in/out of hospital has been excellent.

As I said the NHS isn't perfect (what is) however in some sections of the media and society it's become very fashionable to attack the NHS and what it does/doesn't do.

I say to these people, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone.
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Re: the nhs

Postby seanoconn » Wed May 08, 2013 11:57 am

Capt Slog wrote:
seanoconn wrote:
Frank the tank wrote:The NHS is fantastic, not perfect but fantastic none the less.

Echo this. My wife unfortunately (very unfortunately, 25 with no family history) is undergoing treatment for breast cancer. The service she's received so far has been top notch. We've had a few delays sitting in the waiting room but as long as long as we're seen on the day it's not a big deal.



Sorry to hear that, I hope she gets through it ok, and you too.

I share your opinion, it can be a bit of a ball-ache waiting around* but as long as you're seen and treated well it makes it worthwhile.

(*but how the hell they can 45 mins behind at 9 in the morning is a mystery that will endure)

Thank you. And yep, it's a mystery
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Re: the nhs

Postby Frank the tank » Wed May 08, 2013 12:01 pm

Capt Slog wrote:
seanoconn wrote:
Frank the tank wrote:The NHS is fantastic, not perfect but fantastic none the less.

Echo this. My wife unfortunately (very unfortunately, 25 with no family history) is undergoing treatment for breast cancer. The service she's received so far has been top notch. We've had a few delays sitting in the waiting room but as long as long as we're seen on the day it's not a big deal.



Sorry to hear that, I hope she gets through it ok, and you too.

I share your opinion, it can be a bit of a ball-ache waiting around* but as long as you're seen and treated well it makes it worthwhile.

(*but how the hell they can 45 mins behind at 9 in the morning is a mystery that will endure)

Hope it goes well for you all. Your wife is being looked after by the best people I'm sure.
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Re: the nhs

Postby -spider- » Wed May 08, 2013 12:02 pm

I can only say good things about the NHS. Any time that I have needed them they have been there for me and my family. Hospitals, GPs, District Nurses, etc, all excellent. Sometimes the admin has been less than brilliant but overall that is ok too.
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