Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby wongataa » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:42 am

I would like a titanium bike because I think titanium looks great unpainted and it doesn't rust.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby keef66 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:31 pm

I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike. Wouldn't buy one expecting it to last forever, but at my age whatever I buy will likely outlast me...

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby essex-commuter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:43 pm

wongataa wrote:I would like a titanium bike because I think titanium looks great unpainted and it doesn't rust.


My Vortex looks the same as the day I picked it up. Any blemishes are easily removed with a kitchen scourer 'going with the grain'. I ordered new decals about 7 years in (due to a few chips), supplied FOC by Litespeed in Chattanooga. Old decals removed with acetone, new ones applied...good to go.
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Slowmart » Thu Aug 08, 2019 18:28 pm

keef66 wrote:I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike. Wouldn't buy one expecting it to last forever, but at my age whatever I buy will likely outlast me...


I had an Indy Fab TI Deluxe, the first frame failed which was replaced under warranty FOC, tyre width and pressure are more indicative of a good ride rather than frame material which is more marketing BS IMHO.. Yes it was a beautiful bike to look at as the frame and geometry were art like.

Plenty of admiring comments from those who knew about bikes but massively understated in unpainted form.

Would I purchase a tI frame again, probably not as my Tarmac does everything I need and is massively more capable than myself in terms of ability. Although I was looking a a new s works but even I’m having trouble justifying the outlay against perceived benefit but I do find the new Sagan edition trouser stretchingly beautiful.

And I know what you mean when you’re buying items which you consider may last longer than you!
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Imposter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 18:40 pm

keef66 wrote:I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike.


Prepare to be underwhelmed...

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Imposter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 18:42 pm

PhilipPirrip wrote:Don't forget to add a Super Magnesium frame when they become available.


Two words - Kirk Precision..

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby PhilipPirrip » Thu Aug 08, 2019 19:08 pm

Imposter wrote:
PhilipPirrip wrote:Don't forget to add a Super Magnesium frame when they become available.


Two words - Kirk Precision..

Completely different materials and properties. Super magnesium is an extruded alloy not cast magnesium.

https://alliteinc.com/

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/24858 ... minium-and

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Shortfall » Thu Aug 08, 2019 19:38 pm

From your second link:

At the moment you can’t buy a bike made from Super Magnesium but when or if bike brands utilise it the company is confident the price will be comparable with aluminium but cheaper than carbon fibre. But the real test will be how the new alloy rides, and for that, we’ll have to wait a while.


Crunching the numbers on Super Magnesium
With any material that's supposed to be the Next Big Thing for bike applications, the devil is always in the detail. Allite's initial announcement of Super Magnesium is light on detail — and that's being kind.. It would be great if they could bring it to the mass market though.
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Imposter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 19:39 pm

PhilipPirrip wrote:
Imposter wrote:
PhilipPirrip wrote:Don't forget to add a Super Magnesium frame when they become available.


Two words - Kirk Precision..

Completely different materials and properties. Super magnesium is an extruded alloy not cast magnesium.

https://alliteinc.com/

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/24858 ... minium-and


so it is - I just saw the word 'magnesium' tbh...

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Aug 08, 2019 20:31 pm

Imposter wrote:
keef66 wrote:I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike.


Prepare to be underwhelmed...
I thought it was supposed to be springy and make you feel connected to the road. Unlike wooden carbon fibre or stiff aluminium. But steel is real and it's a game of two halves isn't it?

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Imposter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 20:42 pm

First Aspect wrote:
Imposter wrote:
keef66 wrote:I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike.


Prepare to be underwhelmed...
I thought it was supposed to be springy and make you feel connected to the road. Unlike wooden carbon fibre or stiff aluminium. But steel is real and it's a game of two halves isn't it?


Apparently, "it surges forward with every turn of the pedals, willing you to go faster and faster.." I believe that phrase has been in use in bike reviews since the early 80s...

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Aug 08, 2019 20:44 pm

Imposter wrote:
First Aspect wrote:
Imposter wrote:
keef66 wrote:I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike.


Prepare to be underwhelmed...
I thought it was supposed to be springy and make you feel connected to the road. Unlike wooden carbon fibre or stiff aluminium. But steel is real and it's a game of two halves isn't it?


Apparently, "it surges forward with every turn of the pedals, willing you to go faster and faster.." I believe that phrase has been in use in bike reviews since the early 80s...
That's the road.cc review of the latest anything. They used it for a review of chamois cream on Tuesday.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby kingrollo » Thu Aug 08, 2019 21:17 pm

My thoughts on ti are that it used to mean hand made...but nowadays u get mass produced to....

Not necessarily a bad thing - but ti doesn't shout 'high end' like it used to...

All imo of course...

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Aug 08, 2019 21:27 pm

kingrollo wrote:My thoughts on ti are that it used to mean hand made...but nowadays u get mass produced to....

Not necessarily a bad thing - but ti doesn't shout 'high end' like it used to...

All imo of course...
When you think of hand made, do you have in mind a man wearing rubber gloves putting the electrodes in the melt by hand, a man with an anvil beating the metal into sheets and bending and welding them into tubes, or do you just mean some bloke with a tig welder sticking the ends of tubes together? Because if.its just the last bit I'm pretty sure they are all hand made. Only the cheapest ones are the result of child labour though.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby PBlakeney » Thu Aug 08, 2019 21:30 pm

kingrollo wrote:My thoughts on ti are that it used to mean hand made...but nowadays u get mass produced to....

Not necessarily a bad thing - but ti doesn't shout 'high end' like it used to...

All imo of course...

I think I would get one of these given a lottery win. Made to measure, obviously.
And different wheels. Strikes me as being high end.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Step83 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 08:28 am

Imposter wrote:
First Aspect wrote:
Imposter wrote:
keef66 wrote:I'm still keen to experience the fabled magic carpet ride of a Ti framed bike.


Prepare to be underwhelmed...
I thought it was supposed to be springy and make you feel connected to the road. Unlike wooden carbon fibre or stiff aluminium. But steel is real and it's a game of two halves isn't it?


Apparently, "it surges forward with every turn of the pedals, willing you to go faster and faster.." I believe that phrase has been in use in bike reviews since the early 80s...


I think any bike you pedal hard "Surges forward with every turn of the pedal" if it somehow surges forward without pedalling, its likely to be a motorcycle

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby keef66 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 09:35 am

Right, you lot have talked me out of it. I'm now thinking my forever bike when I raid my pension pot is going to be custom built in some kind of fancy steel...

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Imposter » Fri Aug 09, 2019 09:41 am

Step83 wrote:I think any bike you pedal hard "Surges forward with every turn of the pedal" if it somehow surges forward without pedalling, its likely to be a motorcycle


That's kinda the point....

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Veronese68 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:04 am

kingrollo wrote:My thoughts on ti are that it used to mean hand made...but nowadays u get mass produced to....

Not necessarily a bad thing - but ti doesn't shout 'high end' like it used to...

All imo of course...

As Step said further up the thread ti is harder to weld as it can't be done under normal atmospheric conditions so is more labour intensive and requires more specialist equipment.
I'd think ti is more comparable to a stainless steel like 953 than other steels, then the price for ti looks more attractive.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Step83 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:46 am

keef66 wrote:Right, you lot have talked me out of it. I'm now thinking my forever bike when I raid my pension pot is going to be custom built in some kind of fancy steel...



953, spirit or XCR. To be honest though at that end of the market a custom Ti will probably cost about the same (maybe a smidge more because special welding), depending which type of Ti you go with, ones actually harder to work but both are more than suitable for bikes.

If your going custom find a frame maker you like/get on with an discuss options, they will give you the pro's an cons an whats suited to your build.


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