Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

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Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby BMXboy10 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 21:04 pm

Just thinking about building up a Ti bike again. I had a Van Nicolas about 9 years ago and follow the Ti Bike Club thread but there are not many people posting about Ti these days nor do they seem to be as popular generally. Is that because its fallen out of favour for steel or is there another reason do you think?

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby PBlakeney » Wed Aug 07, 2019 21:37 pm

Prices of carbon bikes have plummeted since then while the price of Ti has risen.
People's buying habits reflect this.
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby essex-commuter » Thu Aug 08, 2019 08:35 am

Still ride my Litespeed Vortex that I bought new about 11 years ago. Beats any carbon bike I've owned since hands down.
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Matthewfalle » Thu Aug 08, 2019 08:49 am

Step's Ti bike is bloody gorgeous

#bikeenvy
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Joe Totale » Thu Aug 08, 2019 09:11 am

The quality of aluminium frames has got better with brands such as Mason and Bowman, the ride quality is near enough the same with these bikes as some Ti frames. Likewise there's good quality steel which isn't too heavy used by other brands like Fairlight.
All these brands offer a product that is often cheaper than Ti unless you're cool with a Planet X Ti frame (Which I've only heard good things about to be fair).
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Step83 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 09:27 am

Matthewfalle wrote:Step's Ti bike is bloody gorgeous

#bikeenvy



Danke, needs a good clean mind.

Ti bikes are often more expensive than carbon so that puts them out of many people budgets, alone with as Joe said Aluminium becoming better in terms or ride quality now people simply go with the cheaper option, which you cant blame them for.
Carbon has become cheaper mainly because theres more industry geared up to do it and its not as complicated nor as labour intensive, you can semi automate aluminium and carbon production, Ti less so, plus you cant weld Ti in open air so theres an extra cost for gas and vacuum systems.
Then you have shapes, Ti is going to be an extruded section. Alloy can be hydroformed and carbon is moulded so you can get those aero shapes people like these days.

Basically put its expensive to work which in turn pops the price up thus making it a near niche product.

A plus point though if you go to any event you'll always get nice comments about the bike, unless it's the MF's then you'll find them drooling over it :lol:

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Fenix » Thu Aug 08, 2019 09:43 am

I think I've seen more Ti bikes lately than I have in a long time.

Hmmm - maybe I need one - its the only material I'm missing in my bikes ?

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby keef66 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:05 am

The old adage used to be cheap, light, strong; choose two, and the choice came down to:

Cheap and light - alu
Cheap and strong - steel
Light and strong - Ti

With the arrival of carbon and improvements in alu manufacturing these days you could argue you can get all 3 in alu or carbon, so the case for Ti is less compelling.

That and the fact that some Ti frames seemed to crack and then were reputed to be harder to properly repair.

Think if I was in the market for an expensive new bike I'd still consider Ti, along with the more exotic steel tubesets.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby PhilipPirrip » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:08 am

There's something deeply depressing about an adult seeking approval from others for buying a bike.

If you want one then buy it. What anyone else thinks or what is de rigeur is irrelevant.

It's just a bike. It's where it takes you that's important.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby PhilipPirrip » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:09 am

Fenix wrote:I think I've seen more Ti bikes lately than I have in a long time.

Hmmm - maybe I need one - its the only material I'm missing in my bikes ?

Don't forget to add a Super Magnesium frame when they become available.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Fenix » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:13 am

Sounds kind of flammable?

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Joe Totale » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:14 am

Fenix wrote:Sounds kind of flammable?


Handy when it gets dark and you've forgotten your lights

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Asprilla » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:16 am

I've just bought a Dolan ADX frame and it's lovely. It's replacing a Canyon Endurace AL that's been on commuter duty for a few years as I wanted something that would take a rack and guards.

At around £850 for the frame, fork and seat post I thought it wasn't too expensive.
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:24 am

A titanium bike isn't necessarily a rational purchase in terms of balance between cost and performance. Rather, they look nice and won't rust or fatigue and more often are "forever bike" purchases.

I'd guess that a large.proportion of buyers start with "I want titanium" and go from there. I know I did.

Aluminium frames will always eventually fatigue. Perhaps not in the normal working lifetime of a bike, but that used to be a consideration anyway. Carbon frames offer best performance and best cost/performance benefit by a mile, particularly in these days of aero, but don't appeal if you want to eschew trendy and mass market. Or rather, if you do, the cost rockets. Steel frames are more in the same space as ti, I suppose, but if you want to go full bike porn you'd probably end up choosing a ti frame over steel.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Fenix » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:25 am

Is any bike a forever frame ? I know people who have had Ti crack so its not bulletproof.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Asprilla » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:35 am

Fenix wrote:Is any bike a forever frame ? I know people who have had Ti crack so its not bulletproof.


This is my second Ti frame. The first cracked at the BB shell, but I reckon that was as a result of my LBS breaking it (considering they returned it with an 73mm BB and told me the issue was with my frame, not the BB). Couldn't prove it though.

I've stayed away from Ti, and that bike shop, until now.

A chap I know is on his second ADX. The first cracked after 15k km and the second has around 32k km on it. Dolan replaced the first under warranty.
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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:50 am

Fenix wrote:Is any bike a forever frame ? I know people who have had Ti crack so its not bulletproof.

Of course they sometimes break. But that's a bears/woods comment isn't it?

They don't fatigue like aluminium or rust like steel (both of which can also crack at welds). Carbon fibre bike fracture, or have defects such as voids or dry zones.

Excepting manufacturing defects and crashes, the frames most likely to still be rideable in X years, where X is a lot, are carbon fibre and titanium. That's just materials science.

Oh and can we not get into the nitty gritty of how you can still get rusting issues with stainless steel. Would take too long.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby BMXboy10 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:06 am

PhilipPirrip wrote:There's something deeply depressing about an adult seeking approval from others for buying a bike.

If you want one then buy it. What anyone else thinks or what is de rigeur is irrelevant.

It's just a bike. It's where it takes you that's important.

Not seeking approval BTW just curious.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby Fenix » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:12 am

First Aspect wrote:
Fenix wrote:Is any bike a forever frame ? I know people who have had Ti crack so its not bulletproof.

Of course they sometimes break. But that's a bears/woods comment isn't it?

They don't fatigue like aluminium or rust like steel (both of which can also crack at welds). Carbon fibre bike fracture, or have defects such as voids or dry zones.

Excepting manufacturing defects and crashes, the frames most likely to still be rideable in X years, where X is a lot, are carbon fibre and titanium. That's just materials science.

Oh and can we not get into the nitty gritty of how you can still get rusting issues with stainless steel. Would take too long.


I think you're agreeing with me then - no bike is forever. Don't worry about it - just buy what you want.

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Re: Who buys a Ti Bike these days?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:17 am

Fenix wrote:
First Aspect wrote:
Fenix wrote:Is any bike a forever frame ? I know people who have had Ti crack so its not bulletproof.

Of course they sometimes break. But that's a bears/woods comment isn't it?

They don't fatigue like aluminium or rust like steel (both of which can also crack at welds). Carbon fibre bike fracture, or have defects such as voids or dry zones.

Excepting manufacturing defects and crashes, the frames most likely to still be rideable in X years, where X is a lot, are carbon fibre and titanium. That's just materials science.

Oh and can we not get into the nitty gritty of how you can still get rusting issues with stainless steel. Would take too long.


I think you're agreeing with me then - no bike is forever. Don't worry about it - just buy what you want.
I wasn't worrying about it. Just addressing the normal confirmation biased comments that are tripped out on these threads. Used to be the same with carbon forks. Or the glue between aluminium and carbon components. Didn't worry about those either.


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