Training / winter wheels

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Training / winter wheels

Postby timboellis » Wed May 22, 2019 07:43 am

Just ordered a new bike which came with Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith wheelset rim, however being new to carbon wheels, do i need to get a cheap pair of Alu wheels for when plan to go out in crappy weather / road conditions?

If so then suggestions on what i could get?

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Matthewfalle » Wed May 22, 2019 07:45 am

you'll get a million different answers, but imo no - they are wheels. ride them, hose them down afterwards to get gunk off.

or throw some Aksiums on if ypu're really worried

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby timboellis » Wed May 22, 2019 07:54 am

Thanks for that , its my thoughts also but not sure of the longevity of carbon wheels.

It saves a few quid too, i have a winter cycle dross bike for really crappy weather

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby shiznit76 » Wed May 22, 2019 08:04 am

Campag khamsin or zondas pretty bomb proof

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Matthewfalle » Wed May 22, 2019 08:33 am

timboellis wrote:Thanks for that , its my thoughts also but not sure of the longevity of carbon wheels.

It saves a few quid too, i have a winter cycle dross bike for really crappy weather


no worries.

they are fine so long as you don't mash them: the MFs use their carbon wheels all year round: after a grotty ride its a 30 second blast with a garden hose on the wheels and brakes to get any gunk off the rims and brake blicks, if really grimy than hot soapy water and sponge, good wash and if necessary just drop the wheels out.

no more than 3 minute job.

if you have nice stuff just use it. no need to put tat on a nice bike.

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Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Zest28 » Wed May 22, 2019 08:42 am

If you have disc brakes, you can use them in the winter.

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby keef66 » Wed May 22, 2019 08:43 am

Tricky one. That is (to me anyway) an expensive wheelset.

One argument would be to use and enjoy them all year round to extract the maximum value from your purchase. The Exalith brake track should help slow you down in the wet, and protect the carbon from premature wear.

The counter argument is if you do a lot of braking on filthy roads, even with the best carbon brake blocks, you'll wear the rims much faster. And if like me you ride a lot in the dark come winter, you'll inevitably crash through a pothole or two, which risks taking a chunk out of the rim. I'm guessing a replacement, if available, would be expensive.

Think if they were mine I'd choose the first option, ride them year round but keep them clean especially after any salty rides. I'm always surprised by how long my wheels last.

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby timboellis » Wed May 22, 2019 08:55 am

Well i have my winter cannondale CAADX for really crappy nights/roads (I live up by John O Goats so a lot of crappy single track roads)

Also on the back of this I checked my insurance and would be covered for any damage too.

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby keef66 » Wed May 22, 2019 09:07 am

Sounds like you're good to go then!

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Matthewfalle » Wed May 22, 2019 09:32 am

Zest28 wrote:If you have disc brakes, you can use them in the winter.


if you have any wheels you can use them all year round. they are wheels.

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Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby w00dster » Wed May 22, 2019 10:02 am

I'd disagree with MF on this and agree fully with Keef.
I use my expensive carbon rim brakes for certain rides. I don't mind using them in the wet, but not mountainous wet rides in winter. Yes its possible to do it, but no I'd rather not. (This is not a rim/disc brake/carbon braking performance post - I'm a big fan of rim brakes and have no issues with using them in the winter)
If my route is very hilly with descents where I'm going to have to be draggy on the brakes, I'd rather not take out my expensive wheels. I'm not talking about performance differences, merely the fact that the brakes and rim will get covered in cack and grit, I'd much rather ruin a cheap set of wheels for my winter rides. (My winter rides are in Snowdonia, hilly with some 60mph descents into roundabouts / switch backs, some rubbish roads, wet very changeable up high)
I do agree with the principle though, that bikes and kit are to be used. My good gear comes out earlier in Spring as possible and away as late in Autumn as possible.#
My good carbon wheels are also 65mm deep, not great at speed when coming down a mountain with a 30mph cross wind. I much prefer using an alloy braking surface and a 30mm rim, even if they don't look anywhere near as nice.

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby philthy3 » Wed May 22, 2019 10:51 am

timboellis wrote:Just ordered a new bike which came with Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith wheelset rim, however being new to carbon wheels, do i need to get a cheap pair of Alu wheels for when plan to go out in crappy weather / road conditions?

If so then suggestions on what i could get?


They're not actually full carbon wheels. They have an aluminium brake track that is coated to look black like the carbon. They will work fine in wet or winter conditions just like the full carbon version.
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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby PBlakeney » Wed May 22, 2019 11:38 am

shiznit76 wrote:Campag khamsin or zondas pretty bomb proof

If you are going down that road, why not Sciroccos?
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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby thegreatdivide » Wed May 22, 2019 11:52 am

FFS. The blind leading the blind once again.

These are frickin aluminium Exalith rims with a carbon faring glued on. So there's not going to be any carbon getting worn out. The Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith is just a blinged up version of the old classic Cosmics with an Exalith treatment to the alu brake track.

OP - Exalith is the best aluminium stopping surface you can get (and infinitely better than the majority of low to mid range carbon surfaces). If your new bike also has direct mount brakes you'll have superb stopping power in all conditions.
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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby OnTheRopes » Wed May 22, 2019 11:57 am

thegreatdivide wrote:FFS. The blind leading the blind once again.

These are frickin aluminium Exalith rims with a carbon faring glued on. So there's not going to be any carbon getting worn out. The Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith is just a blinged up version of the old classic Cosmics with an Exalith treatment to the alu brake track.

OP - Exalith is the best aluminium stopping surface you can get (and infinitely better than the majority of low to mid range carbon surfaces). If your new bike also has direct mount brakes you'll have superb stopping power in all conditions.


Its not all about the stopping power or rim wear though, it's also about salt damage to the bearings, rusting of spoke nipples and general degradation of a decent set of wheels if using through the winter.

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Matthewfalle » Wed May 22, 2019 13:16 pm

OnTheRopes wrote:
thegreatdivide wrote:FFS. The blind leading the blind once again.

These are frickin aluminium Exalith rims with a carbon faring glued on. So there's not going to be any carbon getting worn out. The Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith is just a blinged up version of the old classic Cosmics with an Exalith treatment to the alu brake track.

OP - Exalith is the best aluminium stopping surface you can get (and infinitely better than the majority of low to mid range carbon surfaces). If your new bike also has direct mount brakes you'll have superb stopping power in all conditions.


Its not all about the stopping power or rim wear though, it's also about salt damage to the bearings, rusting of spoke nipples and general degradation of a decent set of wheels if using through the winter.



bollorcks.

its a set of wheels - use them. yes they are decent but they aren't a set of Obermayers: its a pair of Mavics.

use them.
hose them.
use them.

747EURO to buy a new pair so OP is on a winner to use them all the time.

otherwise whats the point in having them? "for good", like your funeral suit?

utter bollorcks

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Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Slowbike » Wed May 22, 2019 14:40 pm

Ignoring the additional wear & tear that arguably occurs in inclement weather ...

there's another reason for having training/winter wheels - you use them in the winter, when you're just getting in easy miles/easy rides - then, when the sun comes out, put the good wheels on - suddenly feels so much better & faster - instant training benefits! :)

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby keef66 » Wed May 22, 2019 14:58 pm

philthy3 wrote:
timboellis wrote:Just ordered a new bike which came with Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon Exalith wheelset rim, however being new to carbon wheels, do i need to get a cheap pair of Alu wheels for when plan to go out in crappy weather / road conditions?

If so then suggestions on what i could get?


They're not actually full carbon wheels. They have an aluminium brake track that is coated to look black like the carbon. They will work fine in wet or winter conditions just like the full carbon version.


Oops! Must be more careful when googling things I know bugger-all about

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Matthewfalle » Wed May 22, 2019 15:21 pm

Slowbike wrote:Ignoring the additional wear & tear that arguably occurs in inclement weather ...

there's another reason for having training/winter wheels - you use them in the winter, when you're just getting in easy miles/easy rides - then, when the sun comes out, put the good wheels on - suddenly feels so much better & faster - instant training benefits! :)


nah - use nice stuff all year round as theres no point having obermayers in the garage and you in the graveyard.

so long as ypu look after it it will be fine. its a bicycle not the space shuttle.

you worked for the money to buy them so enjoy them. you wouldn't arrange a date with Nina and go out with Janet Street Porter would you? So why ride rubbish?

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Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D

smithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.

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Re: Training / winter wheels

Postby Slowbike » Wed May 22, 2019 15:28 pm

Matthewfalle wrote:
Slowbike wrote:Ignoring the additional wear & tear that arguably occurs in inclement weather ...

there's another reason for having training/winter wheels - you use them in the winter, when you're just getting in easy miles/easy rides - then, when the sun comes out, put the good wheels on - suddenly feels so much better & faster - instant training benefits! :)


nah - use nice stuff all year round as theres no point having obermayers in the garage and you in the graveyard.

You wouldn't ride your best road bike on a cyclocross race - so why take it out in the grotty weather? If that principle works - then you can apply that to components too. If that doesn't work, then yer - ride what you want when you want.

Matthewfalle wrote:so long as ypu look after it it will be fine. its a bicycle not the space shuttle.

Having heard the GRIND of the grit against the rims on a winters commute ... I'm happy with my choice to use the more robust bike/wheels for general use, then take the best bike out when the weather suits.

Matthewfalle wrote:you worked for the money to buy them so enjoy them. you wouldn't arrange a date with Nina and go out with Janet Street Porter would you? So why ride rubbish?

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