Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby thecycleclinic » Thu Aug 29, 2019 21:42 pm

Reading your post I wonder if removing all the old sealant was the problem. Your true might have developed porosity. I have had this with a continental mtb tyre. A race king. I foolishly when it was off to fit an insert I picked off all the latex of the tyre. Now the tyre wont seal. I have to spend time with caffe latex getting all that latex all over this non tubeless tyre to get it seal again. I cant fit a tubeless IRC mythos or tubeless schwalbe because the ryde tubeless rim is sized so only a rubbed mtb tyre fits. Semi tubeless setups are a PITA.
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Postby wotnoshoeseh » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:52 am

thecycleclinic wrote:Wotnos.. why not do as I suggested and stick a good sticky plyre plug in it. You don't remove the tyre yo fix a puncture. That last resort. Read by guides on this.

I didn't have any tyre plugs, and buoyed by how simple it was to remove it the last time, and having a puncture kit and patches available, I thought why not.

thecycleclinic wrote:You have done everything to make the situation more complicated.

Sealant is not primarily there to seal punctures. It is there to seal any porosity in tyres seal the tyre rim interface and slow down any air loss from punctures. It sometimes seals punctures. When it does not use a sticky tyre plugs. If it's not tacky as some are don't expect it to stay in the tyre.

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Pro ones and the conti on your mileage will be worn out in a month maybe two if your light.

I'm not light.....So £70-80 for two tyres to have to replace them in a couple of months seems a bit much.

To go back to tubeless I think I need to have a higher level of confidence in the technology, and possibly being able to fix punctures on the roadside.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby bradsbeard » Fri Aug 30, 2019 13:25 pm

Managed to break the tyre bead on my Pro Ones. Hit a deep pot hole and the tyre bottomed out. Rim must have broken the bead.

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Postby wotnoshoeseh » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:53 am

Holy f%$k,

What an abomination - trying to get tubed tyres onto these UST wheels. I have two brand new tyres- a Pro3 in 23mm. and a Conti Ultra Sport in a 25. I can't get other of them onto the rim with a tube in them.

I've never seen anything so tight!!

Anyone up for a pair of UST Mavic wheels? Ksyrium Elite??

Or can anyone provide some insight as to how to get these to fit??

Or does anyone know if Hutchinson Fusion 11 Performance in a 28 would fit on an Aithein (calliper braked frameset) with Ksyrium UST?
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Postby thecycleclinic » Sat Aug 31, 2019 19:21 pm

I take it your still using tubeless tape on the rims. Putting rim strip in there will tyre fitting difficult. Soapy water will help with tubes tyre fitting as it does with tu less. Just make it a dilute solution. Conti ultra sports are a tight fit dont bother. Conti gp 5000 fit well as will Victoria corsa controls. I do consider the ust wheels from mavic as tubeless only.

Tubeless tyres last me more than a couple of months. Depending on the tyre I generally wear them out. Several Tyre plugs are filling the holes though by the end of its life.

You wont learnt giving up. Get a decent pair of tyres and yes they cost money.
There is a reason why I irc tyres myself as £ per mile they are the best. Hutchinson tyres are a close second as they are alot cheaper but still do sensible miles. They also have good road manors. The hutchinson fusion 5 all season tyre is serving me quite well.

Then get some dynaplugs (expensive) or tacky tyre plugs like maxalami and just remember a road side repair does not have to go to 80 psi immediately. Often a plug will take 24 hrs before it can hold high pressures well the big hole require that time. Just inflate witha handpump till you can ride it or the plug tries to push out. If the later happen let some air out and after 24hrs try a higher pressure. That normally works.
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Postby wotnoshoeseh » Sat Aug 31, 2019 22:40 pm

thecycleclinic wrote:I take it your still using tubeless tape on the rims. Putting rim strip in there will tyre fitting difficult. Soapy water will help with tubes tyre fitting as it does with tu less. Just make it a dilute solution. Conti ultra sports are a tight fit dont bother. Conti gp 5000 fit well as will Victoria corsa controls. I do consider the ust wheels from mavic as tubeless only.

Tubeless tyres last me more than a couple of months. Depending on the tyre I generally wear them out. Several Tyre plugs are filling the holes though by the end of its life.

You wont learnt giving up. Get a decent pair of tyres and yes they cost money.
There is a reason why I irc tyres myself as £ per mile they are the best. Hutchinson tyres are a close second as they are alot cheaper but still do sensible miles. They also have good road majors. The hutchinson fusion 5 all season tyre is serving quite well.

Then get so dynaplugs (expensive) or burly tyre plugs like maxalami and just remember a road side repair does not have to go to 80 psi immediately. Often a plug will take 24 hrs before it can hold high pressures well the big hole require that time. Just inflate witha handpump till you can ride it or the plug tries to push out. If the later happen let some air out and after 24hrs try a higher pressure. That normally works.

Cheers Malc.
No tubeless tape though

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Postby Asprilla » Mon Sep 09, 2019 16:04 pm

Anyone got any feedback on Pirelli Cinturato Velos? I'm considering them on the commuter for winter.
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Postby thecycleclinic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 21:45 pm

I only one person running them. He said they felt a bit slow but then again it has a 5mm thick thread sowhat it looses innpace it may gain in wear life and puncture resistance.
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Postby Asprilla » Tue Sep 10, 2019 09:40 am

thecycleclinic wrote:I only one person running them. He said they felt a bit slow but then again it has a 5mm thick thread sowhat it looses innpace it may gain in wear life and puncture resistance.


That's the plan. It's for winter commuting, not for racing so the loss of 5-10w over a Schwalbe Pro One isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.

Not really had any issues with Pro Ones, just a couple of punctures in the last year or so and they were self sealed. I do find that if you lock-up the read wheel, as I did the other day, then they don't last very long after that, hence the 3.6mm thick tread on these appeals.
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Postby wotnoshoeseh » Tue Sep 10, 2019 15:13 pm

wotnoshoeseh wrote:Or does anyone know if Hutchinson Fusion 11 Performance in a 28 would fit on an Aithein (calliper braked frameset) with Ksyrium UST?


The answer is yes. A gift to put on and inflate too. Running 85 psi in the rear and it's like a magic carpet.....
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Postby Arsey » Fri Sep 13, 2019 09:27 am

Asprilla wrote:
thecycleclinic wrote:I only one person running them. He said they felt a bit slow but then again it has a 5mm thick thread sowhat it looses innpace it may gain in wear life and puncture resistance.


That's the plan. It's for winter commuting, not for racing so the loss of 5-10w over a Schwalbe Pro One isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.

Not really had any issues with Pro Ones, just a couple of punctures in the last year or so and they were self sealed. I do find that if you lock-up the read wheel, as I did the other day, then they don't last very long after that, hence the 3.6mm thick tread on these appeals.

Also looking for a 28mm winter commuter tyre. Looking at these or the IRC Formula pro x guard. Malcolm, are you getting any more of the 28mm x guard in stock?
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Postby Asprilla » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:06 am

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thecycleclinic wrote:I only one person running them. He said they felt a bit slow but then again it has a 5mm thick thread sowhat it looses innpace it may gain in wear life and puncture resistance.


That's the plan. It's for winter commuting, not for racing so the loss of 5-10w over a Schwalbe Pro One isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.

Not really had any issues with Pro Ones, just a couple of punctures in the last year or so and they were self sealed. I do find that if you lock-up the read wheel, as I did the other day, then they don't last very long after that, hence the 3.6mm thick tread on these appeals.

Also looking for a 28mm winter commuter tyre. Looking at these or the IRC Formula pro x guard. Malcolm, are you getting any more of the 28mm x guard in stock?


I've tried the X Guards and I must say I've not been impressed. The rear lasted less than a month before it had multiple punctures that wouldn't seal. The front is still on the bike, but it's cut up really badly. I've replaced the rear with a Schwalbe Pro One but I want to move that onto the good bike after it's rear was wrecked by an emergency brake the other day.
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Postby Arsey » Fri Sep 13, 2019 13:29 pm

Asprilla wrote:
Arsey wrote:
Asprilla wrote:
thecycleclinic wrote:I only one person running them. He said they felt a bit slow but then again it has a 5mm thick thread sowhat it looses innpace it may gain in wear life and puncture resistance.


That's the plan. It's for winter commuting, not for racing so the loss of 5-10w over a Schwalbe Pro One isn't going to make any difference whatsoever.

Not really had any issues with Pro Ones, just a couple of punctures in the last year or so and they were self sealed. I do find that if you lock-up the read wheel, as I did the other day, then they don't last very long after that, hence the 3.6mm thick tread on these appeals.

Also looking for a 28mm winter commuter tyre. Looking at these or the IRC Formula pro x guard. Malcolm, are you getting any more of the 28mm x guard in stock?


I've tried the X Guards and I must say I've not been impressed. The rear lasted less than a month before it had multiple punctures that wouldn't seal. The front is still on the bike, but it's cut up really badly. I've replaced the rear with a Schwalbe Pro One but I want to move that onto the good bike after it's rear was wrecked by an emergency brake the other day.

Interesting, I've had the 25mm version on my bike throughout last winter and this summer and they've been bombproof. Guess it shows it's sometimes just a bit random!
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Postby thecycleclinic » Fri Sep 13, 2019 21:43 pm

Every tyre can get punctures. The fact they are not sealing is not the tyres fault. That why I carry plugs. Swapping tyres normally changes the bad luck. Also why people expect rubber not to cut is beyond me. Yhe roads were I live cut all tyres badly. I still get excellent life from them.

I have a conti gatorskin tub whose surface looks like swiss cheese and yet it soliders on to my dismay.
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Postby Asprilla » Sat Sep 14, 2019 19:24 pm

I don't expect them not to cut up, and I so carry plugs. However, riding the same roads, day in day out, on a variety of different tyre / bike / weather combinations, my anecdotal evidence is that these have performed poorly compared to the other tyres I've been using. It may be anecdotal, but it's the only data I have and so it's all I can use to make a decision.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby londoncommuter » Sun Sep 15, 2019 13:42 pm

Apologies if this has been posted before but what's the best thing to do / buy when your Mavic UST valves get bunged up? I think that's whats happened as it's got really hard getting air into the tyre.

Not specific to Mavic but I've seen some comment about taking out the inner and cleaning it but other people saying they're so cheap that they buy them in bulk and that's it not worth cleaning them.

If the latter is the way forward, where can you get compatible inners for the latest Mavic Ksyrium wheels? Don't want a whole near valve, just replace the inner and the idea of getting a few is a good one.

Many thanks.

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Postby Arsey » Sun Sep 15, 2019 16:12 pm

thecycleclinic wrote:Every tyre can get punctures. The fact they are not sealing is not the tyres fault. That why I carry plugs. Swapping tyres normally changes the bad luck. Also why people expect rubber not to cut is beyond me. Yhe roads were I live cut all tyres badly. I still get excellent life from them.

I have a conti gatorskin tub whose surface looks like swiss cheese and yet it soliders on to my dismay.

Are you getting the formula pro X guard 28s back in stock?
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Postby Arsey » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:05 am

Punctured last night in the rain. It was a slow puncture so I got home by stopping every 5 minutes to pump up with more air. A bit disappointed in the sealant but I guess it was better than having an inner tube puncture. I topped up the sealant when I got home with some more and it did seal so I guess I was just running low. Overall, I think a slight win for tubeless but a bit of a faff.
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Postby bobones » Wed Oct 02, 2019 14:05 pm

Arsey wrote:Punctured last night in the rain. It was a slow puncture so I got home by stopping every 5 minutes to pump up with more air. A bit disappointed in the sealant but I guess it was better than having an inner tube puncture. I topped up the sealant when I got home with some more and it did seal so I guess I was just running low. Overall, I think a slight win for tubeless but a bit of a faff.

What sealant? Experience has taught me that you should just plug anything that doesn't seal right away with a worm or Dynaplug.

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Postby SkeetAM » Wed Oct 02, 2019 14:39 pm

londoncommuter wrote:Apologies if this has been posted before but what's the best thing to do / buy when your Mavic UST valves get bunged up? I think that's whats happened as it's got really hard getting air into the tyre.

Not specific to Mavic but I've seen some comment about taking out the inner and cleaning it but other people saying they're so cheap that they buy them in bulk and that's it not worth cleaning them.

If the latter is the way forward, where can you get compatible inners for the latest Mavic Ksyrium wheels? Don't want a whole near valve, just replace the inner and the idea of getting a few is a good one.

Many thanks.


Just remove the core and clean it up with a little bit of WD40.


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