Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby Arsey » Tue Jun 11, 2019 17:06 pm

rieko wrote:3 months in.

What can I say. Arsey and Zefs were right. I probably squeaked 1000 miles out of them but yesterday I binned them off. Incredibly fast tyre, very confidence inspiring, but I'm down to the canvas already in a few months.

I'll be purchasing the performance tyres next instead of the Galatcik's.


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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby rieko » Wed Jun 12, 2019 07:42 am

Arsey wrote:
rieko wrote:3 months in.

What can I say. Arsey and Zefs were right. I probably squeaked 1000 miles out of them but yesterday I binned them off. Incredibly fast tyre, very confidence inspiring, but I'm down to the canvas already in a few months.

I'll be purchasing the performance tyres next instead of the Galatcik's.


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Thanks Arsey, I'll check them out.

Which model would you recommenced? I'm after something fast but also fairly durable. The GP4000 of the tubeless world.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby Arsey » Wed Jun 12, 2019 09:19 am

I've had both the Roadlite and the Formula Pro X-Guard in 25mm. The X-Guard is more durable and I struggle to notice the difference in speed. Both are great quality and have lasted me over 5000 miles.

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/irc-roadlite-tubeless-tyres

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections/road-tyres/products/2017-irc-formula-pro-fusion-x-guard-tubeless-tyres
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby schlepcycling » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:01 am

Arsey wrote:I've had both the Roadlite and the Formula Pro X-Guard in 25mm. The X-Guard is more durable and I struggle to notice the difference in speed. Both are great quality and have lasted me over 5000 miles.

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/irc-roadlite-tubeless-tyres

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collections/road-tyres/products/2017-irc-formula-pro-fusion-x-guard-tubeless-tyres

Another vote for IRC, I have the Roadlite and got 5000 miles out of my most recent set.
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Postby rieko » Thu Jun 13, 2019 13:14 pm

Thanks both.

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Postby thecycleclinic » Thu Jun 13, 2019 21:21 pm

The roadlites feel faster to me and on the road the roadlites are almost schwlabe one tubeless fast. One customer (my size got 10000km out of the x guard 28mm rear tyre. I thought I got a fair few miles out of mine.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby Arsey » Fri Jun 14, 2019 14:31 pm

thecycleclinic wrote:The roadlites feel faster to me and on a rolling road the roadlites are almost schwlabe one tubeless fast. One customer (my size got 10000km out of the x guard 28mm rear tyre. I thought I got a fair few miles out of mine.

I'm currently on 4000km with my x-guards and hoping they will last the rest of the year (hopefully up to about 10k) :D
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby drlodge » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:27 am

+1 for the IRC Roadlites, have them on 2 bikes. Also have the x-guards on the winter bike but with very little mileage.
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Postby thecycleclinic » Wed Jun 19, 2019 23:03 pm

Well its winter bike weather.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby PaulMon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 15:32 pm

PaulMon wrote:So I finally managed to get the Maxxis Padrones mounted and sealed but it took over two hours and I was close to throwing in the towel. I bought the 28mm versions and they weigh 310g compared to the combined weight of 295g for my GP4000 ii (25mm) + latex tube.



So after running the Maxxis Padrones for 12 months I've decided to bin tubeless on the road bike and go back to tubes. The initial reason behind the decision was due to what happened at the weekend on my gravel bike. I got a puncture which refused to seal but spat sealant all over me and all over my bike. I put a tube in and rode home and then spent the rest of the afternoon peeling and cleaning dried latex from my bike :( My road bike is due back from having a shiny new paint job any time and I don't want to have to go through the same ball ache again so I bought a pair of GP5000s and a couple of tubes.

In the 12 months I have been tubeless on the road bike I haven't had a single puncture but I've been topping up the sealant when needed. When I took the tyres off this is what I was presented with. I then weighed each tyre and one had gained 45g and the other 35g this would obviously increase when mounted as I would then need to add sealant so you are looking at around an additional 90-100g per wheel :shock: :shock:

For the amount of road riding I do nowadays I just don't think its worth the hassle. I'll stick with tubeless on my gravel bike and mountain bike though.

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby Lincolndave » Sun Jul 07, 2019 05:50 am

Anyone seen or using the new Vitoria corsa g2 tubeless yet ?, I’ve just read a review and the are rated highly

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby zefs » Sun Jul 07, 2019 06:07 am

Yes, others have more than my 700km on the new Corsa's but the opinions are the same, excellent grip/suppleness and good rolling resistance/puncture protection. Compared to GP5K which are a bit faster with less grip/suppleness.

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby Lincolndave » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:39 am

Cheers Zefs I will order a couple and give them try, I see merlin have then reduced at the moment

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby TonySJ » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:24 am

Hi All,
My Schwalbe Pro Ones are about pooped and Im considering the Hutchinson Fusion 5 All Seasons as they seem to have decent reviews/user recommendations.
Has anyone spotted these tyres at a decent price as there seems to be the TdF offers with shops at the moment.
Best I've seen is £60 a pair with Sigmasport..
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Postby thecycleclinic » Sun Jul 07, 2019 22:49 pm

It takes 5 minutes to wipe the rims clean of sealant when replacing tyres. I am not sure where the hassle is.

Over the course of a year I may get 10 to 15 punctures that I have to plug. Those are the ones I know about. I do struggle to see why tubeless tyres are more hassle. Can someone one please explain when in each of these cases I have inserted a tyre plug and continued. The only times I have had tubeless issues is with slashes and in one case the tyre unseated from the rim and tube had to be fitted. The velocity aileron and maxxis padrone is not a good combination.

Those that get one puncture a year is this real. No one I know has so few punctures. In the case above of throwing in the towel, stopping and fitting a big plug would have sealed it and limited the spray kn the bike.

The padrone are also only o.k tyres. Nothing special so any faff might seem like tubeless is not worth it not all thbrkess tyres are the same. You might find the tl version of the gp5000
Tyres to be worth it if you get on with the thief version.

Like all things never assume. Never try one tyre and think that's all tubeless has to offer. Why not try a mediocre tubed tyre and then state all tubed tyres are rubbish, or try a mediocre wheel and then state all wire spoked wheels are rubbish because paulmon that's what you did.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby Pilot Pete » Sun Jul 07, 2019 22:59 pm

I got my first puncture of the year on Wednesday last, riding Regional Route 70 in Cheshire, on an unmade section of road which would have been more suited to a MTB than a road bike running 25mm tyres. It was a pinch flat from a rock. I don’t know anyone cycling who has as many punctures as you at 10-15 that you have to plug! :shock:

For context I ride about 5.5k miles per year.

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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 17:45 pm

thecycleclinic wrote:
Those that get one puncture a year is this real. No one I know has so few punctures. In the case above of throwing in the towel, stopping and fitting a big plug would have sealed it and limited the spray kn the bike.
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I am figuring out what the issue is... you claim unrealistic mileage for your tyres, but you also puncture a lot and I mean a lot... if you do 2+2...

I never managed more than 2000-2500 miles on a tubeless tyre, but I normally changed them before they began to puncture every other ride.

Normal clinchers seem to last a bit longer, but not a lot longer, maybe 2500-3000 miles for things like the Durano

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Postby thecycleclinic » Mon Jul 08, 2019 22:13 pm

I puncture a fair bit but on fresh tyres too. The punctures in the last 12 months have been about 4 on conti gp5000 to but I had 2 of those within the first 1000km. A big tyre slash on maxxis padrone 3 days in. A big slash on a IRC roadlite with around 1000km on it but at night one cycle lane/path that briefly ran next to a14 I would put my thumb through that just still.manged to plug it. A puncture on a Goodyear eagle with less than 500km on it and it was a bigun and caused by a big piece of flint. A punctured a schwalbe racing Ralph last week and a IRC formula pro rbcc at lotus of all places in the car park with a chunk of glass and that tyre has 2000km on it and no wear (front). There are a few more but I forget these so the punctures are not from running the tyres too long but from just getting unlucky. Oh there that tubeless pinch flat on the 3 capitals 300km audax too.

Oh I forgot about the tubular tyre punctures. Two on a road bike and one on an mtb. Oh the mavic yskion ust tyres I tried went a few times too. Got three I one day after 3000km on them so i retired them. They were not that worn as it was a front and it was a dry day too.

The Hutchinson fusion 5 all season tyres I have on the genesis have been puncture free. The IRC roadlite and maxxis padrone in the special wheels have been pucture free as have been the IRC formula pro light and rbcc on the audax machine. In fact those tyres have done 4000km puncture free. The IRC formula pro rbcc tyres on my campag promo bike are puncture free after a couple of thousand km and many km of gravel road riding. The conti competion tubs on the pinarello have done 3000km with out punctures and they are wearing out slowly. So I dont puncture everything. In fact I have never got a puncture when riding a road bike with road tyres off road only on the road.


I get mileage i do from tyres the moment they start to puncture when squaring off they go in the bin. The thing most of the clangers happen well before that but I mostly still get to wear them out. I the past year I have only had to bin three tubeless tyres and three tubs for damage that cant be repaired. In the previous 12 months it was half that. When I used to use tubed tyres I went through tyres every 2 months some lasted me a week I'm not joking either. So theres been an improvement.

In terms of mileage the IRC formula pro tyres seem to do me 5000 to 7000km and other brand 2000 to 3000km before they get iffy. Hense they have to be cheaper (hutchinson) to make sense.

In fact most of the problems have been with trying others brands of tyres. It only the Hutchinson I am actually getting on with. Vittoria corsa controls are next. What could possibly go wrong?

And before anyone thinks I am careless on a bike I am not. I alot of winter/wet miles and night miles and thats when most of the above happens. Sharp stuff just finds me. It always has.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby drlodge » Sun Jul 28, 2019 16:35 pm

I punctured today, more of a blow out on the rear, managed to seal it with two worms and get home.

Seems that IRC roadlite has had its day - on closer inspection the canvas is starting to show through so time for the bin.

Question for Malcolm as I need to get some more worms and may be sealant, whats the best to get: MaXalami refill packs small and large (may be large can be cut in half for road use?) and then the "MaXamali twister - tubeless tyre repair kit" to stick in the bar end?

And for sealant, is Effetto Mariposa Caffelatex still your sealant of choice? This is all for road use, IRC roadlites. Cheers.
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Re: Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Postby drlodge » Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:43 am

Quick response from Malcolm after I emailed him directly. Worked out that rear IRC roadlite has done 2900 miles so not bad.
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