Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby whatleytom » Wed May 16, 2018 10:25 am

Right.... Next time you race then try running 30psi :roll:
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Imposter » Wed May 16, 2018 10:43 am

whatleytom wrote:Right.... Next time you race then try running 30psi :roll:


Straw man argument. We were talking about tyre quality, not tyre pressures.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Fenix » Wed May 16, 2018 10:48 am

Matthewfalle wrote:
Fenix wrote:
Matthewfalle wrote:
Fenix wrote:A clubmate punctured on a TT one year - he rode back to HQ - about 8 miles on it. If anyone wanted to destroy a carbon disc wheel - that's an excellent and quick way to do it...



Good to see his club mates looked out for him.

Clubbies, eh........


"Clubbies" don't have a hive mind - how the hell were we supposed to know he was doing that ? I don't think I even saw him on the road at that race.

I think you've been watching too much pro cycling on TV. No following cars and radios for us.


The fact he was either standing at the side of the road looking at his wheel with a flat tyre or riding bolt upright at 3mph wobbling everywhere on a bike with a flat tyre may have given it away.

Nice to know you lot look out for each other.


He carried on racing as far as I know. I take it you've not raced yourself or you'd know how these things work. I think I was back at the finish as he was our latest start.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby whatleytom » Wed May 16, 2018 13:48 pm

Imposter wrote:
whatleytom wrote:Right.... Next time you race then try running 30psi :roll:


Straw man argument. We were talking about tyre quality, not tyre pressures.


So if you're not fussed about rolling resistance why bother inflating tyres to the correct pressure :wink:
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby LWLondon » Wed May 16, 2018 16:59 pm

Imposter wrote:
whatleytom wrote:Right.... Next time you race then try running 30psi :roll:


Straw man argument. We were talking about tyre quality, not tyre pressures.


To get back to my previous point, I guess I wasn't debating good v average tyre, I was debating going for an average tyre if you're serious enough to wear a skin suit. I would have thought if you're in a skin suit (not that cheap), you're going for somewhat of a "marginal gains" approach - and you'd get just as much (if not more? I don't know) benefit from better tyres?

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Matthewfalle » Thu May 17, 2018 11:49 am

Fenix wrote:
Matthewfalle wrote:
Fenix wrote:
Matthewfalle wrote:
Fenix wrote:A clubmate punctured on a TT one year - he rode back to HQ - about 8 miles on it. If anyone wanted to destroy a carbon disc wheel - that's an excellent and quick way to do it...



Good to see his club mates looked out for him.

Clubbies, eh........


"Clubbies" don't have a hive mind - how the hell were we supposed to know he was doing that ? I don't think I even saw him on the road at that race.

I think you've been watching too much pro cycling on TV. No following cars and radios for us.


The fact he was either standing at the side of the road looking at his wheel with a flat tyre or riding bolt upright at 3mph wobbling everywhere on a bike with a flat tyre may have given it away.

Nice to know you lot look out for each other.


He carried on racing as far as I know. I take it you've not raced yourself or you'd know how these things work. I think I was back at the finish as he was our latest start.


I may have done a race or two. I'll check my memory banks.

So he was the last man to go so loads of people had finished - including yourself - so the marshalls etc would have got word back that he had punctured and you couldn't be bothered going out to get him because you were too busy sitting around doing nothing?

Great clubmanship there. That's belonging.

I take it you have never raced further than local club level?

Good to see that at least he knows what to expect next time and the level of support he is required to give you.
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby DeVlaeminck » Fri May 18, 2018 08:19 am

Imposter wrote:
whatleytom wrote:
Imposter wrote:
whatleytom wrote:
Lol, whereas the difference between good tyres and bad ones is probably almost a minute on a quick 10 course.

Something like a gatorskin will have a CRR aproaching 0.006, whereas a tubeless vittoria corsa speed will be closer to 0.002.

Have a go on mywindsock on you're nearest TT course, should give you an idea of how important tyre choice can be in terms of rolling resistance alone.


Like I say - fractional. Worth reminding people that the OP is talking about road races - not TTs. And if you miss out on a top 10 in your local evening crit - well, let's just say it won't be because of the .004 loss in CRR...


Hardly fractional, the difference between that amount of CRR is probably getting close to 15w. Tell me you wouldn't feel the fresher being able to average 15w less sitting in the bunch after an hour of racing.


Freshness after an hour of racing has more to do with how much work you have done/had to do during the race and whether you have sat in for an hour, or spent the race attacking or off the front. It really has fck all to do with your tyres.


Irrespective 15 watts is still 15 watts - why would anyone turn that down for the sake of a slightly increased risk of a puncture ?

It does seem odd to eschew carrying a pump and tube but then not use race tyres - especially as average tyres are not puncture proof so there is still the risk of having to walk back to the HQ.
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Imposter » Fri May 18, 2018 08:31 am

DeVlaeminck wrote:Irrespective 15 watts is still 15 watts - why would anyone turn that down for the sake of a slightly increased risk of a puncture ?

It does seem odd to eschew carrying a pump and tube but then not use race tyres - especially as average tyres are not puncture proof so there is still the risk of having to walk back to the HQ.


Sure I'd take any power gain, but let's try to get things in perspective. I've said this before, but I've seen members of the GB junior academy rock up to local evening crits and win comfortably on their training wheels (Aksiums and Gatorskins, as I recall). Meanwhile, some of us are obsessing about buying 15 watts...

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby whatleytom » Fri May 18, 2018 09:25 am

Imposter wrote:
DeVlaeminck wrote:Irrespective 15 watts is still 15 watts - why would anyone turn that down for the sake of a slightly increased risk of a puncture ?

It does seem odd to eschew carrying a pump and tube but then not use race tyres - especially as average tyres are not puncture proof so there is still the risk of having to walk back to the HQ.


Sure I'd take any power gain, but let's try to get things in perspective. I've said this before, but I've seen members of the GB junior academy rock up to local evening crits and win comfortably on their training wheels (Aksiums and Gatorskins, as I recall). Meanwhile, some of us are obsessing about buying 15 watts...


I've seen members of my team do the same, but they're stronger guys that typically have bags of talent and belong in higher categories. As an average 2nd Cat, if I want to win in a field of particularly strong guys (many of whom should be 1st or even Elite) then I have to make sure I do as much as possible to push the odds in my favour. That's everything from being as aero as possible, making sure my drivetrain is optimal and make the right equipment choices. If you just want to "get round" then I guess its a different mentality, but I don't spend 10-15 hours a week training to not make the most of my chances, especially when it comes to spending a few quid on tyres.
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Daddy0 » Fri May 18, 2018 12:30 pm

I don't carry any PR kit. All the TTs and RRs I have entered have marshals spread around the course, so at worst it would mean a mile or so walk if I punctured. The only time I did puncture (on worn old tyres) was right next to some marshalls, so I just had to wait until the end and someone came to pick me up. RRs generally have a bunch of support cars with spare wheels, who will then give you a tow back to the bunch. Crits are all round short circuits, so I leave my saddle bag at the start/finish line.

BTW - the nearest I came to a win was 0.028 seconds. If I'd had better tyres I'd have probably won, but I don't have the budget to take it that seriously.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby ShutupJens » Sat May 19, 2018 13:03 pm

whatleytom wrote:
Imposter wrote:
DeVlaeminck wrote:Irrespective 15 watts is still 15 watts - why would anyone turn that down for the sake of a slightly increased risk of a puncture ?

It does seem odd to eschew carrying a pump and tube but then not use race tyres - especially as average tyres are not puncture proof so there is still the risk of having to walk back to the HQ.


Sure I'd take any power gain, but let's try to get things in perspective. I've said this before, but I've seen members of the GB junior academy rock up to local evening crits and win comfortably on their training wheels (Aksiums and Gatorskins, as I recall). Meanwhile, some of us are obsessing about buying 15 watts...


I've seen members of my team do the same, but they're stronger guys that typically have bags of talent and belong in higher categories. As an average 2nd Cat, if I want to win in a field of particularly strong guys (many of whom should be 1st or even Elite) then I have to make sure I do as much as possible to push the odds in my favour. That's everything from being as aero as possible, making sure my drivetrain is optimal and make the right equipment choices. If you just want to "get round" then I guess its a different mentality, but I don't spend 10-15 hours a week training to not make the most of my chances, especially when it comes to spending a few quid on tyres.


Those guys who you say are stronger on your team, must have been at your level at some point right. Do you think they got better by treating regional A races like world champs? If you think that you can't win unless everything is "just right" then you have already been defeated imo

I used to race on FMBs but it wasn't worth the money really, no way did riding clinchers instead of tubs ever mean the difference between having a good race and just getting round

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Buckles » Sat May 19, 2018 18:52 pm

I carry a frame mounted mini pump and an inner tube in my back pocket. It's no fun getting a blowout or puncture halfway around a 12 mile lap of a road race - with no neutral service - and having to walk all the way back to the village hall.

It happened on a very cold day on which I forgot to bring the inner tube; neutral service drove straight past me because my eyes started stinging as soon as I stopped riding and I couldn't see them to wave them down. Had to stand and wait for them to come around again, and in the meantime borrowed a spectator's jacket to stop me from freezing to death.
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby JTUK » Wed May 23, 2018 14:36 pm

No, puncture repair would take too long, you’d never get back on but you can take spare wheels and give them to neutral service. Best to go with friends/family or club mates who can pick you up if you go missing, although I wouldn’t carry a phone either so you will probably end up walking unless a kind stranger happens to stop for you.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Svetty » Thu Jun 14, 2018 14:06 pm

Walking to HQ from the back end of a road race circuit isn't much fun.......
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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Webboo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 14:14 pm

When I was road racing I used to carry a spare tube and a couple levers. I always reckoned I could borrow the use of a pump of someone either watching or one of the marshals.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Vino'sGhost » Thu Jul 05, 2018 19:32 pm

Imposter wrote:
whatleytom wrote:
Imposter wrote:
whatleytom wrote:
Lol, whereas the difference between good tyres and bad ones is probably almost a minute on a quick 10 course.

Something like a gatorskin will have a CRR aproaching 0.006, whereas a tubeless vittoria corsa speed will be closer to 0.002.

Have a go on mywindsock on you're nearest TT course, should give you an idea of how important tyre choice can be in terms of rolling resistance alone.


Like I say - fractional. Worth reminding people that the OP is talking about road races - not TTs. And if you miss out on a top 10 in your local evening crit - well, let's just say it won't be because of the .004 loss in CRR...


Hardly fractional, the difference between that amount of CRR is probably getting close to 15w. Tell me you wouldn't feel the fresher being able to average 15w less sitting in the bunch after an hour of racing.


Freshness after an hour of racing has more to do with how much work you have done/had to do during the race and whether you have sat in for an hour, or spent the race attacking or off the front. It really has fck all to do with your tyres.


If you ride 60mm wheels, tubeless tyres, wear a skin suit aero bike, you actually dont even need to pedal, in fact its possible to finish the race before youve even started. the majority of racers these days dont take a repair kit with them because even the circuit of the volcano with presumably shards of lava doesnt affect you on Zwift.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby thistle (MBNW) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:57 pm

Buckles wrote:I carry a frame mounted mini pump and an inner tube in my back pocket. It's no fun getting a blowout or puncture halfway around a 12 mile lap of a road race - with no neutral service - and having to walk all the way back to the village hall.

Our club time trial is short, and I'd be happy to push back to HQ so I don't carry anything for that. I'd like to think fellow riders/marshalls would get word back to HQ that I was going to be DNF so they could start packing up but that's all.

On a 10 mile I'll carry a tube/pump unless I have my 1 woman pit crew in the area to fetch me. Over 10 miles I'll always take pump/tube. I'm not aware of any event I've entered having a neutral service.

I'm not that quick, or aero, so not fussed about saving a couple of watts.

I'd expect marshalls to offer sympathy but no help. If they've cycled there it would be nice to lend me their pump if needed. Similarly if team mates (or any other rider) saw me stranded I'd expect them to let someone know when they finish but only come back if they wanted to heckle/offer sympathy.

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby OnTheRopes » Sat Sep 15, 2018 07:12 am

Andymaxy wrote:Lucky enough where I live pretty much all races have neutral support, besides those weekly races where everyone get together and just have fun. I don't see any riders bring spare here because of the awesome support crew.

Personally I don't bring anything because I run tubeless tires and there is a very very low chance of puncture. Even if there isn't any neutral support and that I'm running clincher, I wouldn't bring spare because that defeats the purpose. If you get a puncture during a race, then by the time you fix it it's race over for you, so I wouldn't even bother to carry the extra weight.

Okay old thread but hey ho!
The purpose of carrying something to fix a puncture is not to get back in the race (as you say, it's over) but so you don't have to walk on cleats or rim it home.
Of course you could race on tubs and then rimming it could be less catastrophic

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Re: Do you carry puncture equipment in a race?

Postby Bordersroadie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 18:36 pm

Even on a 10TT I carry a tube and levers tucked under the saddle and a very short lezyne pump taped under one extension. The weight of the pump is less than a co2 cartridge plus valve, and more aero!

My finest hour was changing a tube on a 20 mile hilly TT and continuing the race and not coming last!

On a cold night it's far preferable repairing a flat than getting hypothermia waiting for a support car.


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