Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

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Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 09:29 am

Ok picture the scene, a traffic light controlled crossroads on a b road. car at front of queue waiting at lights to go green to go straight on. cars behind it. little bit of room for a pelican crossing in front of each road approcahing the crossroads so there is room in front of the front cars before the actual 'crossing road'

a cyclist pulls up along side on the left of the car at the front of the queue, and unclips puts his foot down. fine no problem. next this cyclists riding companion, wobbles up the left hand side between his mate and the car in front, not unclipping and barely keeping upright, and proceeds to wobble beyond his mate, and across in front of the car waiting at the red light. there is no box markings for cyclists at on the road, and its just a bog standard traffic light controlled crossroads, as mentioned above with a bit of space for the pedesttrian crossing in front of the 'lead' cars. wobbly cyclist is not turning right at crossroads but is going straight on.

lights change and wobbly cyclist is in middle of road infront of lead car. holding them up. his mate remained on the left out of the way.

was this wobbly cyclist in the wrong, or was he perfectly entitled to do what he did (creep up the left hand side of stationery cars and then go in tot he missle of the road effectively blocking the cars and holding them up) or was he perfectly entitled to do what he did and his actions are fine?

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby Pituophis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 09:45 am

I'm guessing there will be lots of opinions on both sides for this one.
Personally I don't pass the front of the queue and always un clip.
I often see the other type of cyclist though, and always think they look like idiots. Maybe that's just the car driver in me, 'cause I'm pretty sure that's what they're thinking. :(
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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby fatsmoker » Mon Jul 15, 2013 09:47 am

Wrong, unless he accelerated like a pro, or the road was too narrow to make passing by the car safe, or there would be no point in the car passing passing because of another set of lights just up the road.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby Cleat Eastwood » Mon Jul 15, 2013 09:50 am

I vote no - he sounds a bellend. I rarely crawl up the side of cars, I stay behind as I was driving - easier and safer both for driver and me.

I did the manc/blackpool ride yesterday and sadly what you describe was the norm - except instead of one cyclist it was 4 or 5 or 6.

One thing I don't get is why some riders do the track stand at lights - who are the trying to impress.
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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby seanoconn » Mon Jul 15, 2013 09:59 am

the playing mantis wrote:Ok picture the scene, a traffic light controlled crossroads on a b road. car at front of queue waiting at lights to go green to go straight on. cars behind it. little bit of room for a pelican crossing in front of each road approcahing the crossroads so there is room in front of the front cars before the actual 'crossing road'

a cyclist pulls up along side on the left of the car at the front of the queue, and unclips puts his foot down. fine no problem. next this cyclists riding companion, wobbles up the left hand side between his mate and the car in front, not unclipping and barely keeping upright, and proceeds to wobble beyond his mate, and across in front of the car waiting at the red light. there is no box markings for cyclists at on the road, and its just a bog standard traffic light controlled crossroads, as mentioned above with a bit of space for the pedesttrian crossing in front of the 'lead' cars. wobbly cyclist is not turning right at crossroads but is going straight on.

lights change and wobbly cyclist is in middle of road infront of lead car. holding them up. his mate remained on the left out of the way.

was this wobbly cyclist in the wrong, or was he perfectly entitled to do what he did (creep up the left hand side of stationery cars and then go in tot he missle of the road effectively blocking the cars and holding them up) or was he perfectly entitled to do what he did and his actions are fine?

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Slightly off topic but where have you been the past few weeks??

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:09 am

fatsmoker wrote:Wrong, unless he accelerated like a pro, or the road was too narrow to make passing by the car safe, or there would be no point in the car passing passing because of another set of lights just up the road.


nope didnt accelerate like a pro, old enough to know better, plenty of room for car to pass safely, open road beyond these crossroads.

people like this make car drivers dislike cyclists. completely no need to do what he did and just plain inconsiderate.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby fatsmoker » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:14 am

bit of a dick then.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:20 am

Cleat Eastwood wrote:I vote no - he sounds a bellend. I rarely crawl up the side of cars, I stay behind as I was driving - easier and safer both for driver and me.

I did the manc/blackpool ride yesterday and sadly what you describe was the norm - except instead of one cyclist it was 4 or 5 or 6.

One thing I don't get is why some riders do the track stand at lights - who are the trying to impress.



it wouldnt have been a problem if hed just crept up the left hand side as his mate did, as there was ample room enough to do it, even though i dont think people should do that., the fact he pulled in front of the first car was the stupid thing, just cos seemingly he didnt want to unclip

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby cougie » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:22 am

I'd have stayed on the left. Blocking traffic just sounds stupid. And if he'd stayed behind that would have been one less car to potentially hit him.

By all means go ahead of the car if there is space - then you're less likely to get turned across, but don't block the car.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:27 am

seanoconn wrote:
the playing mantis wrote:Ok picture the scene, a traffic light controlled crossroads on a b road. car at front of queue waiting at lights to go green to go straight on. cars behind it. little bit of room for a pelican crossing in front of each road approcahing the crossroads so there is room in front of the front cars before the actual 'crossing road'

a cyclist pulls up along side on the left of the car at the front of the queue, and unclips puts his foot down. fine no problem. next this cyclists riding companion, wobbles up the left hand side between his mate and the car in front, not unclipping and barely keeping upright, and proceeds to wobble beyond his mate, and across in front of the car waiting at the red light. there is no box markings for cyclists at on the road, and its just a bog standard traffic light controlled crossroads, as mentioned above with a bit of space for the pedesttrian crossing in front of the 'lead' cars. wobbly cyclist is not turning right at crossroads but is going straight on.

lights change and wobbly cyclist is in middle of road infront of lead car. holding them up. his mate remained on the left out of the way.

was this wobbly cyclist in the wrong, or was he perfectly entitled to do what he did (creep up the left hand side of stationery cars and then go in tot he missle of the road effectively blocking the cars and holding them up) or was he perfectly entitled to do what he did and his actions are fine?

opinions?

Slightly off topic but where have you been the past few weeks??

I'm extremely nosey so feel free to tell me to mind my own.


yeah, f off and mind ur own!

just took a much needed sabbatical, combined with not actually cycling on road for the last month and a half, the above incident prompted me to return though, not sure how long for, really depends on if ive missed vtechs bbq...

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby ChrisAOnABike » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:27 am

You don't have to accelerate like a pro to not hold up drivers when the lights change, providing you're alert and move immediately. If he dawdled then yes, inconsiderate, but if he had got on with it as the lights changed, and pulled over to the left immediately once he was moving, I don't see the problem in principle.

Even the existence of a bike box at a traffic lights doesn't mean it's perfectly Ok to hang about and hold everyone up behind. And you still have to get through to the bike box somehow. If there really isn't space to get through without risking scraping the bars then yes, wait in line, but if there's room, what are you going to do, wait in a traffic jam from twenty cars back through several cycles of red-green-red-green?
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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:30 am

cougie wrote:I'd have stayed on the left. Blocking traffic just sounds stupid. And if he'd stayed behind that would have been one less car to potentially hit him.

By all means go ahead of the car if there is space - then you're less likely to get turned across, but don't block the car.


well whats is defined as space? the car was at the white line, but there was space as the cyclist encroached on the pelican crossing in front of the line.

imo he should have just retained his position in the middle of the road amongst the traffic, not crept up left hand side, and defo not pulled in front of the lead car. it wasnt as if there was a lot of cars queuning either just 3 or 4, so he got no benefit from doing what he did.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:33 am

ChrisAOnABike wrote:You don't have to accelerate like a pro to not hold up drivers when the lights change, providing you're alert and move immediately. If he dawdled then yes, inconsiderate, but if he had got on with it as the lights changed, and pulled over to the left immediately once he was moving, I don't see the problem in principle.

Even the existence of a bike box at a traffic lights doesn't mean it's perfectly Ok to hang about and hold everyone up behind. And you still have to get through to the bike box somehow. If there really isn't space to get through without risking scraping the bars then yes, wait in line, but if there's room, what are you going to do, wait in a traffic jam from twenty cars back through several cycles of red-green-red-green?


i thinks its inconsiderate to pull up in front of a lead car and thus inevitably hold them up, regardless of how fast you can accelerate from the lights, when it was of no benefit to the cyclist. and even if it was a benefit to the cyclist its still inconsiderate to block the traffic like that. if u have to do it, stay left so the car can get past without issue. (like this guys mate did) dont pull into the middle.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby Mikey23 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:49 am

Will look forward to his 'are clip less pedals really needed' thread then!

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby SloppySchleckonds » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:10 pm

fatsmoker wrote:bit of a dick then.


Need to know what bike he was riding first
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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby diamonddog » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:13 pm

Obviously a plank! I wouldn't ride with them.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:21 pm

Mikey23 wrote:Will look forward to his 'are clip less pedals really needed' thread then!



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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby the playing mantis » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:23 pm

SloppySchleckonds wrote:
fatsmoker wrote:bit of a dick then.


Need to know what bike he was riding first


it was either a trek or felt, one was on one one was on t'other.

he was wearing shorts over his lycra bottoms though....(i do on a commute as i have to get on a busy train and dont want to scare the school kids at ingatestone as they get off the train, but not on a normal ride)

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby iPete » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:25 pm

I'd have filed in behind the last car, assuming the que was short enough to make the next green and didn't go straight onto the back of more traffic.

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Re: Was this cyclist in the right or wrong

Postby cattytown » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:32 pm

Cleat Eastwood wrote:I did the manc/blackpool ride yesterday and sadly what you describe was the norm - except instead of one cyclist it was 4 or 5 or 6.


I think you missed a "dozen" off the end. The number of red light ignorers irritated me. The worst of that I saw was near Preston where there were about 20-30 cyclists waiting at the lights and three just rode past the queue and through the lights.

And the litter - I hate to think what the roads were like later, but the number of gels foils scattered over the roads was disappointing.

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