The "water up your sleeves" thread

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The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby ugo.santalucia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 07:53 am

an hour of rain, heavily "Nikwaxed" Alpha jacket, when I take it off my base layer is pretty much dry, except the sleeves... it's quite clear water has been sucked from the wrists... I can see another hour would see water going all the way up and I would begin to get cold (my arms were beginning to feel a bit cold).
I won't even go into the "waterproof gloves" claims.

Any idea how to improve on this? Maybe short sleeved base layer is a better solution in winter after all?

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Slowbike » Wed Dec 05, 2018 08:31 am

Gloves with cuffs that cover the cuffs of the jacket?
Beyond that - if you're really out in heaving rain, you're going to want drysuit cuffs.

Personally though, I do a "managed wetting" - so plan to get wet and just keep the wind off to stop the chill - hands and lower arms are more tricky though - I have got some waterproof gloves on my christmas list, but up to now, I've just taken a spare set of gloves - so can put on a dry set part way into the ride.

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby ugo.santalucia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 08:36 am

Slowbike wrote:Gloves with cuffs that cover the cuffs of the jacket?
Beyond that - if you're really out in heaving rain, you're going to want drysuit cuffs.

Personally though, I do a "managed wetting" - so plan to get wet and just keep the wind off to stop the chill - hands and lower arms are more tricky though - I have got some waterproof gloves on my christmas list, but up to now, I've just taken a spare set of gloves - so can put on a dry set part way into the ride.


If you put the cuffs over the jacket, then you get more water in the gloves... It seems it's one I can't win. Hands get cold as they get wet and it's 6-7 degrees... if it's above 10 generally it's not an issue.

Ultimately, I am not planning on long rides when wet AND cold, so I might just live with the problem for the short commutes. An improvement would be nice though

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby mrfpb » Wed Dec 05, 2018 09:04 am

Maybe a sleeveless/short sleeve base layer would solve the problem - water won't be soaked up the sleeves if they're not there.

Possibly wear an additional thin base layer in compensation to keep you core warm.

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Slowbike » Wed Dec 05, 2018 09:07 am

I'm using ski gloves when it gets really cold - they've got massive cuffs and don't seem to get wet and cold inside - even when skiiing in the rain the temperature of my hands is tolerable. 6-7 degrees is on the verge of being too warm for ski gloves though.

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby jds_1981 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 09:48 am

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Tangled Metal » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:19 am

You can buy replacement dry suit cuffs. Fancy a DIY job?

Seriously though, water wicks up your sleeves. Nothing really stops that I reckon. I suggest managing the cold is your real issue. I personally don't mind getting wet but cold I don't like. If you sort your clothing too keep warm even when inevitably you wet out then at least the ride will be comfortable.

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby TGOTB » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:32 am

What's your base layer made of? How about switching to something that's either less effective at transporting water by capillary action (something more lycra-esque?) or something that has better thermal properties when it's wet (maybe merino?)

One thing to try under your jacket which would probably be zero cost (assuming you have the bits already) would be a short-sleeved base layer and lycra arm warmers...

@jds - yes that would do the job, but seriously, who wants to look like a canoeist?!?
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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby bompington » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:41 am

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Slowbike » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:41 am

TGOTB wrote:@jds - yes that would do the job, but seriously, who wants to look like a canoeist?!?

I've worn a dinghy top that's similarly waterproof - in the torrential rain - you're getting wet whatever - just not from the rain ...

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Tangled Metal » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:51 am

One word, Velomobile! Streamline and dry.

If your kit isn't giving you the results you want, try to replace with better. I'm no expert but there's better waterproofs at resisting the wicking up the sleeves. I read this advice on this on another cycling forum I think. There was a guy on there I know of from a hiking forum who knows a lot about outdoor kit who gave good advice. Can't remember how long back but a year or two. IIRC it's something to do with the way the sleeve is made.

Realistically it's not a solution but sorting out the layers underneath to ensure any water creeping up your sleeve is kept warm so you keep warm too. That's about your body heat = best thermal layers for the conditions. Making sure any wicking under layer doesn't come close to the inside of the cuff area. Long gloves tucked into it sleeve with underlayers tucked into the glove perhaps?

I say wet and warm is second only to dry and warm. It's the cold that's your real problem here IMHO. Good luck in your search for a solution.

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby ugo.santalucia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:11 pm

Tangled Metal wrote:One word, Velomobile! Streamline and dry.
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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby ugo.santalucia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:12 pm

TGOTB wrote: or something that has better thermal properties when it's wet (maybe merino?)


I use merino

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby JLloyd » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:33 pm

Can't you just roll up your baselayer's sleeves a bit to create a gap?

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby ugo.santalucia » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:37 pm

JLloyd wrote:Can't you just roll up your baselayer's sleeves a bit to create a gap?


I can try...

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Dinyull » Wed Dec 05, 2018 13:09 pm

A proper waterproof jacket?

Whenever it's wet I'll always wear a thin waterproof jacket, and in weather like the past few days it'll go over a long sleve jersey (or 2) and a base layer.

I have never tried these fancy jerseys/ jackets that are supposed to be breathable and waterproof etc so maybe I'm missing a trick. But I've never had the problem you've described, even in rides over 3 hours.

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby keef66 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 14:11 pm

When I put my Alpha on over a LS base layer I let go of the cuff of the base layer before my hand emerges from the jacket sleeve. That way there's nothing at the wrist to suck up rainwater. Still seems warm enough.

And then I take it off again because when I go to zip up the inner I find I haven't put one arm through the armhole of the inner vest thing, but that's another issue...

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby itboffin » Wed Dec 05, 2018 15:01 pm

ugo.santalucia wrote:
JLloyd wrote:Can't you just roll up your baselayer's sleeves a bit to create a gap?


I can try...


Steady now you're getting dangerously close to going for the sleeveless tri look :shock:

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby The Rookie » Mon Dec 17, 2018 13:45 pm

Short sleeves under the waterproof and it won't get far enough up to wick anyway?

You know I like my short sleeves.........

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Re: The "water up your sleeves" thread

Postby Rick Chasey » Mon Dec 17, 2018 22:28 pm

Wear tighter clothes.


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