Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby awavey » Mon May 13, 2019 22:26 pm

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gabriel959 wrote:Don't understand the lure of these rides, it is already a bit iffy when you join a Sunday ride with the club and there are a couple of new riders, imagine riding with 17,000 new people! Ok, it is closed roads, but you need to pay for it, possibly get a hotel room, it just sounds like an unnecessary expense for riding my bike with an increased risk of injury and accidents! Much prefer the sense of adventure of an audax which is a lot more what cycling is about, in my opinion.


The number 1 reason people don't cycle is fear of cars - so that (rightly or wrongly) is the appeal of these events.

Think the 42 miler was a mistake - make the minimum distance 75 miles and you introduce a bit of quality control


I dont think the fear of cars is necessary the thing that makes a closed road appeal more for these types of events, of course an open road sportive on the same route wouldnt have the exact same appeal because traffic would be a pain, but the kind of person that signs up to ride 100 miles, isnt going to be put off by cycling with a fear of traffic that much, as how else would you have put the miles in, in the first place to be able to complete such a ride.

maybe the 42miler was introduced more for the charity riders as it came sometime after the main event was announced possibly when they picked their main sponsor group charities

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby awavey » Mon May 13, 2019 23:03 pm

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hah - I was going to spout on about how it's only a race if they publish a winner .... then googled "Velo Birmingham Results" - got the timings list - and a download link at the top right "download race results" .... bang .. ouch ... that's a foot .... :lol:


He's probably "the winner"...
https://www.strava.com/activities/23613 ... 9665385395


Fastest Chiptime was 04:22:09 - avg speed 22.89mph

there were just over 650 riders at 20mph+

Slowest riders seem to be ~9mph but there seem to be some results at over 15hrs - 6mph ...


remember those are elapsed times though, including stops, I dont doubt to get a 20mph+ you arent stopping at all, though the strava segment doesnt match the chip times even for the 2nd or 3rd fastest rider on Strava, oddly the first one doesnt have a chip time.

seems like about half the riders, only just under 12,000 did the 100miles, ended up on Strava,6020 so far, but it probably is tipped towards the faster riders

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby NitrousOxide » Tue May 14, 2019 05:23 am

That 168bpm heartrate average could simply be from a wrist monitor, in my experience they often give elevated figures.
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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby david7m » Tue May 14, 2019 05:41 am

4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby ChippyK » Tue May 14, 2019 06:26 am

ugo.santalucia wrote:
Slowbike wrote:
ugo.santalucia wrote:
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Yes, I'm sure the organisers could try sanitise the event - nobody may exceed Zmph or ride in groups of more than 4 people - but that's not easy to police and more often than not, it's unjustified...


Is it unjustified? All I read for months ahead of (and after) RL100 is people complaining about those morons whizzing by at 30 mph and scaring the hell out of people and how these people cause crashes.
Surely if you put a deterrent in place and it's well advertised, they will refrain from entering. It's the message you send out, whether that deterrent actually works on the day might be immaterial.
You apply a zero tolerance policy on bad behaviour or you don't... if you don't then don't complain if the BBC calls it a race, because at the front that's exactly what it is


hah - I was going to spout on about how it's only a race if they publish a winner .... then googled "Velo Birmingham Results" - got the timings list - and a download link at the top right "download race results" .... bang .. ouch ... that's a foot .... :lol:


He's probably "the winner"...
https://www.strava.com/activities/23613 ... 9665385395

Hang on, I ride a lot of the route frequently, some of those segments I’ve gone from like top 50 to about 1000th fastest.

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby ChippyK » Tue May 14, 2019 06:44 am

david7m wrote:4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.


Done the bike leg of an IM more than once without stopping for food or for the loo, gels in your pocket or taped to the bike and some flapjack in a bento box. And I’m in my lane 40s and no longer the racing snake I was.

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby david7m » Tue May 14, 2019 06:49 am

ChippyK wrote:
david7m wrote:4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.


Done the bike leg of an IM more than once without stopping for food or for the loo, gels in your pocket or taped to the bike and some flapjack in a bento box. And I’m in my lane 40s and no longer the racing snake I was.


Fair play!! I needed the loo at 50 miles and again towards the end :D Think I'm drinking too much.....

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby lettingthedaysgoby » Tue May 14, 2019 07:07 am

david7m wrote:4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.

I did 5:36 without stopping. 2 750ml bottles, couple of flapjack bars, a bit of Soreen and a pack of cliff energy chew things. It’s quite doable.

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby Veronese68 » Tue May 14, 2019 07:15 am

Slowbike wrote:Slowest riders seem to be ~9mph but there seem to be some results at over 15hrs - 6mph ...

Were the being called fat and slow? How many pub stops for those at 15 hours?

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue May 14, 2019 08:06 am

Veronese68 wrote:
Slowbike wrote:Slowest riders seem to be ~9mph but there seem to be some results at over 15hrs - 6mph ...

Were the being called fat and slow? How many pub stops for those at 15 hours?


I know you like your bike pub crawl... have you seen this? I'm going to make my official return to SW London just for that

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/17-559/

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby gabriel959 » Tue May 14, 2019 09:09 am

david7m wrote:
ChippyK wrote:
david7m wrote:4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.


Done the bike leg of an IM more than once without stopping for food or for the loo, gels in your pocket or taped to the bike and some flapjack in a bento box. And I’m in my lane 40s and no longer the racing snake I was.


Fair play!! I needed the loo at 50 miles and again towards the end :D Think I'm drinking too much.....


If you sweat like a pig (like I do) then you might not even need the loo.
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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue May 14, 2019 09:26 am

gabriel959 wrote:
david7m wrote:
ChippyK wrote:
david7m wrote:4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.


Done the bike leg of an IM more than once without stopping for food or for the loo, gels in your pocket or taped to the bike and some flapjack in a bento box. And I’m in my lane 40s and no longer the racing snake I was.


Fair play!! I needed the loo at 50 miles and again towards the end :D Think I'm drinking too much.....


If you sweat like a pig (like I do) then you might not even need the loo.


You should change your avatar then... Miguelon was famous for not sweating even up the Pyrenean climbs in July

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby Herb71 » Tue May 14, 2019 09:38 am

I stopped a couple of times, not pub stops, though I did think about it. Once to chat with family in Coventry and for a longer break at 65 miles to fill bottles and take in the atmosphere. Too many treating it like a race and had no regard for other participants.

If you want to race, then have the balls to enter a race. Lots of ways to compete if that's your thing, but choose an appropriate way to do it.

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby BigMitch41 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:04 am

We (team of 4 from the Isle of Man) all enjoyed the event. being the last wave to set off we had many hold ups along the way, thankfully we all made it back to the finish line together. Condolences to the rider who didn't complete the ride and sadly passed away. We had a good couple of days in Birmingham city centre and thankfully it warmed up for the event on Sunday! Back to work today!
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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby Philip Whiteman » Tue May 14, 2019 11:29 am

Now that you have done the Velo, what is your next biggest challenge?

The Kidderminster Killer may be the answer.

http://beaconrcc.org.uk/audaxes/kidderm ... to-heaven/

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby Philip Whiteman » Tue May 14, 2019 11:30 am

ImageNow that you have done the Velo, what is your next biggest challenge?

The Kidderminster Killer may be the answer.

http://beaconrcc.org.uk/audaxes/kidderm ... to-heaven/
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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby Slowbike » Tue May 14, 2019 11:35 am

david7m wrote:4 hours without the toilet and no additional drinks or food sounds a tall order?
We stopped 3 times which added about 15 mins.

I did my first RL100 without topping up bottles/food or having a loo stop - I did have to stop, but that was traffic ...

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby MBroady » Tue May 14, 2019 12:27 pm

Had a nice chilled day out on Sunday, was a great atmosphere through the villages, everyone was in good spirits. Got round in 6 hours taking it steady with the Mrs.

Went past the accident shortly after, saw the blood on the floor and the snapped frame at the side of the road, tragic to hear the rider has passed. Saw maybe 5 accidents altogether, 2 alone on one descent with speed bumps on the road.

Was surprised at the amount of MTBs I saw doing the route but fair play to them! Also surprised at the amount of Camelbaks and tri bottle holders on the saddle, again fair play if you can't be arsed stopping for water.

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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby DeVlaeminck » Tue May 14, 2019 23:34 pm

Herb71 wrote:I stopped a couple of times, not pub stops, though I did think about it. Once to chat with family in Coventry and for a longer break at 65 miles to fill bottles and take in the atmosphere. Too many treating it like a race and had no regard for other participants.

If you want to race, then have the balls to enter a race. Lots of ways to compete if that's your thing, but choose an appropriate way to do it.


Isn't it inevitable that a timed ride with published results is going to have people riding for a fast time?

What exactly are people doing that puts others at risk ?
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Re: Velo Birmingham & Midlands May 12 2019

Postby awavey » Thu May 16, 2019 00:18 am

DeVlaeminck wrote:
Herb71 wrote:I stopped a couple of times, not pub stops, though I did think about it. Once to chat with family in Coventry and for a longer break at 65 miles to fill bottles and take in the atmosphere. Too many treating it like a race and had no regard for other participants.

If you want to race, then have the balls to enter a race. Lots of ways to compete if that's your thing, but choose an appropriate way to do it.


Isn't it inevitable that a timed ride with published results is going to have people riding for a fast time?

What exactly are people doing that puts others at risk ?


even if they didnt publish times, people after a time would be using Strava or something,so that wouldnt make a difference IMO, people are naturally competitive, why do marathon runners target 4hr finishes, isnt completing 26miles enough in itself for instance?

I caught up with a friend who did the ride for a chat tonight and they said the "risky" riders who werent the out and out faster riders & chain gangs fwiw who all passed on the right and made their presence known, these were generally the ones who probably just thought they were as quick, but actually werent that fast as they couldnt keep up with the really fast riders, and they just werent riding predictably for a group ride situation with that many riders on the road.

If there was a smidgen of gap they could fit a wheel into regardless of where it was, even between riders riding as a pair, theyd go for it to try and get past rather than check up their speed for a moment and move around. Or would dive bomb up the inside into corners and then veer out wide to get the fastest exit, whilst narrowly missing everyone elses front wheel who were trying to hold their lines, and they werent leaving much if any margin for error or the road conditions.

I mean there literally were crashes caused by people apparently who just rode into the back of one another, or collected each others wheels because they clearly didnt want to slow down enough, or control their speed to cope with what was actually ahead of them.


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