Ride London 2019 anyone?

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Ride London 2019 anyone?

Postby BikerGroveish » Mon Aug 06, 2018 14:52 pm

The Ballot for the 2019 Ride London is open. Anyone going for it?

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Postby Stueys » Mon Aug 06, 2018 15:21 pm

Did it 3 years back, it’s a fun fast course. If I could be guaranteed an early start time then I’d do again, otherwise the sheer number of people combined with the average bike handling skills on show make it a bit too sketchy for my liking.

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Mon Aug 06, 2018 16:06 pm

I put my price tag at 500 quid... if the organisers pay me 500 quid plus all the travel and accomodation costs I incur, then I will ride it, you have my word... :-)

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Postby mrfpb » Mon Aug 06, 2018 16:34 pm

I believe it's forecast to rain that day.

However if the forecast changes to hell freezing over, then I'm in

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Postby Sniper68 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 20:05 pm

I've entered the Ballot for the third time and will probably get a knock back again followed by an offer of a charity place.Not fussed TBH as it's not that important.If I get in I'll ride if i don't I'll ride somewhere else.

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Postby phreak » Tue Aug 07, 2018 06:42 am

It's about the dullest route imaginable, so a no from me.

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Postby Slowbike » Tue Aug 07, 2018 08:17 am

I've done it 3 times now - didn't bother with this year and won't bother next - unless Mrs Slowbike suddenly decides she wants to try.

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Postby Fat Cat » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:41 am

I've stuck an entry in the ballot.

Currently 1 for 5 in getting through the ballot, so law of averages suggests I've got a chance next year. Won't make or break my year either way!

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:45 am

Fat Cat wrote:Won't make or break my year either way!


So why bother?
I don't really get it, is it just lack of inspiration? There are some truly inspiring rides...

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Postby meursault » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:03 pm

Can you ride it unofficially?

I'd be tempted to join in the festival atmosphere. Apart from that, I suspect the ballot is a con with majority of places going to corporate pigdogs, and the real motivation of the event is to raise money through bolox charities.
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Postby Shirley Basso » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:08 pm

Why are the charities 'bolox'?

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:14 pm

Shirley Basso wrote:Why are the charities 'bolox'?


In essence because they are high maintenance organisations, often with the same costs as for profit organisations.
When the boss gets six figure salaries, I'm not quite sure what is charitable about the all thing.

For every pound donated, nearly 90 p goes to pay for salaries and overheads... that's why crowdfunding is becoming so popular

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Postby Fenix » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:24 pm

Ugo - do you have anything to back that up or are you talking bolox ? All charity accounts have to be declared - can you point out which of the associated charities have expenses taking up 90% of their donations ?

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:33 pm

Fenix wrote:Ugo - do you have anything to back that up or are you talking bolox ? All charity accounts have to be declared - can you point out which of the associated charities have expenses taking up 90% of their donations ?


you got to believe the mail online, don't you? :lol:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -work.html

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Postby Fenix » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:49 pm

FFS - so you're a DM reader ? This explains a lot.

And you're writing off all charities based on this report ? I'm sure there's explanations for most - but the DM isnt interested in that.

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:59 pm

Fenix wrote:FFS - so you're a DM reader ? This explains a lot.

And you're writing off all charities based on this report ? I'm sure there's explanations for most - but the DM isnt interested in that.


I don't read anything and I have lost any interest in being one side of the argument or the other... unfortunately they are as bad as each other at the moment.
90% was a figure I had heard and most likely coming from the tabloid press. If the reality is closer to 50%, then fair enough, I still think that crowdfunding is a leaner mechanism and you get a clearer picture of what goes where and for what.

I am against charity as a matter principle... I think essential services should be funded by taxpayers without this silly mechanism whereby they have to compete for breadcrumbs.
I am also, as I am sure many others are, a bit fed up of folks coming around asking for money to either do something completely unchallenging like walking a mile or to do something they actually enjoy doing and it's a bit of a holiday... just not into the all charity thing at all.
If you want to ride your bike, why do I have to give you 10 quid?

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Postby Slowbike » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:01 pm

Fenix wrote:And you're writing off all charities based on this report ? I'm sure there's explanations for most - but the DM isnt interested in that.


I suppose the issue is down to when is a Charity a charity ...

take the RNLI for example - a huge Charity and they publish the Chief Execs pay package (https://rnli.org/footer/faqs/chief-exec ... alary-faqs) > £160k for 2016.

Do people think of Charities as organisations where everyone is a volunteer - perhaps a token amount going to a professional for legal and accountancy advice. There are plenty of charities like that - small, looking after local needs,. but when they grow they start to need more time and experience to administer and direct - is it fair to expect someone to deliver services for nothing in preference to a paying job?
Perhaps theres a bit more conflict when it comes down to paying someone to be a fund raiser - paid out of donations...

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Postby BikerGroveish » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:10 pm

I suppose you could get a ballot place and raise money for a charity of your choice off of your own back that isn’t even on the official list. But I guess if you didn’t get a ballot place you’d have to choose your charity from the official paid up charities of the event. This opens another can of worms regarding whether or not you’re actually riding for the charity or because it was the only way you could get into the event. Obviously the charity still gets money from you but is that the point? I don’t know. As long as the charity gets money that’s the main thing.

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Re: Ride London 2019 anyone?

Postby Slowbike » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:11 pm

ugo.santalucia wrote:I am also, as I am sure many others are, a bit fed up of folks coming around asking for money to either do something completely unchallenging like walking a mile or to do something they actually enjoy doing and it's a bit of a holiday... just not into the all charity thing at all.
If you want to ride your bike, why do I have to give you 10 quid?


Totally agree - I disagree with the "sponsor me to ride" bit - if it's a dead cert, why does it need sponsoring - I may as well just go round and ask for donations to the chosen charity. For me to ask for sponsorship now it would need to be for something that is difficult to complete and may not happen - riding 100 miles isn't (for me). Riding 100 miles within a specific time would be more of a challenge and I think sponsorship needs to change to reflect that - because at the moment there's no condition on it.

That said - riding for a charity and fund raising for that charity does go toward raising awareness of the charities aims - and that in turn can help the charity immensely - so perhaps it's not such a bad thing after all ...

as for the necessity of a charity - it would be nice not to need charity at all - but if we did that then either the work wouldn't get done or the state would have to decide which ones to do - at least this way we can individually chose if/when to support a cause and how much we want to support it - better that than be forced into paying tax for things we disagree with.

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:22 pm

Slowbike wrote:
as for the necessity of a charity - it would be nice not to need charity at all - but if we did that then either the work wouldn't get done or the state would have to decide which ones to do - at least this way we can individually chose if/when to support a cause and how much we want to support it - better that than be forced into paying tax for things we disagree with.


I was talking about essential services... how can the RNLI something we disagree on? Maybe we can disagree on the pay package...
Air ambulance, shelter for the homeless etc... these are essential services!

Then we can decide whether we want to help drilling wells in Rwanda with our own money or help save the elephants or whatnot


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