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Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby odessouky » Tue Apr 18, 2017 22:46 pm

Aloha every one

Has anyone used or tried Halfords bike build service for £40?

I am in the process of building a new bike. I have bought a frame, and sourced all the parts. Its a Cannondale Synapse carbon, with a full SRAM Force 22 drive train, except for a Red 22 BB30 crankset.

I was planning on doing it myself, but I think the build itself is a job too big for me.

I have booked a bike build service at Evans, which is basically a GOLD service, @ £110! Quite expensive.

The other day I was buying the kids some bike gloves at Halfords, and asked if they can build up a bike, and they said no problem. No appointments needed, just bring in the bike any time, and they will do it...£40 only?

Halfords are not renowned for their technical work, but so is Evans? Has anyone done this before, and any feedback?

Thanks
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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby Gethinceri » Tue Apr 18, 2017 22:49 pm

Nobody's going to be able to build a bike properly, safely for £40.00 without losing money.
What guarantee will they provide?
Walk away.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby odessouky » Tue Apr 18, 2017 23:18 pm

Gethinceri wrote:Nobody's going to be able to build a bike properly, safely for £40.00 without losing money.
What guarantee will they provide?
Walk away.


Ditto..

I thought so..

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby oxoman » Wed Apr 19, 2017 03:28 am

For forty quid they're probably only expecting to build up a bike as supplied new in a box with wheels to fit and handlebars to turn etc. I personally wouldn't let them change a number plate bulb let alone build a full bike.
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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby philthy3 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 06:54 am

odessouky wrote:I am in the process of building a new bike. I have bought a frame, and sourced all the parts. Its a Cannondale Synapse carbon, with a full SRAM Force 22 drive train, except for a Red 22 BB30 crankset.

I was planning on doing it myself, but I think the build itself is a job too big for me.


Seriously, do it yourself. It isn't rocket science as you can't fit something in the wrong place. If indexing is your problem and you can't follow a YouTube video, build the bike assembling all the components and take it into your LBS for them to do the indexing for you.
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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby Daniel B » Wed Apr 19, 2017 07:33 am

I was in a similar position with my CR1, and an Ultegra groupset, and various other carbon components.

I decided to self build, and it was the right choice - good learning experiencce, and I now know how it all goes together.

Most of it is simply bolting things on - even the headset and cutting the steerer were not that big an issue.
Off the top of my head, the REALLY simple jobs are:
Fitting the cassette onto the wheel
Bolting on the brakes
Fitting the derailleurs
Fitting the bottom bracket
Attaching the crankset and pedals
Fitting the chain
Installing seatpost and saddle
Affixing stem, handlebars and shifters (Once steerer is cut assuming it is required)
Putting the chain on

The more time consuming bits are the things you will likely want to get pefect, ie cable outer lengths, wrapping the bar tape etc, where as some person in a shop will likely just be bunging it on.
The halfords £40 offer is definitely for a bike in a box with the bars turned and needing the front wheel fitted - and think of the value of all of the components you have, would you want to trust it to either of those places?

If you have no bike tools at all (?) I would have thought you could get everything you need for sub £150 - so only £40 more than the Evans cost, and you have all those tools to use going forwards which will save you even more money.

*You would also need a bike stand if you want to have a chance of indexing your gears.
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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby lesfirth » Wed Apr 19, 2017 07:47 am

Do it yourself.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby SheffSimon » Wed Apr 19, 2017 07:56 am

Daniel B wrote:I was in a similar position with my CR1, and an Ultegra groupset, and various other carbon components.

I decided to self build, and it was the right choice - good learning experiencce, and I now know how it all goes together.

Most of it is simply bolting things on - even the headset and cutting the steerer were not that big an issue.
Off the top of my head, the REALLY simple jobs are:
Fitting the cassette onto the wheel
Bolting on the brakes
Fitting the derailleurs
Fitting the bottom bracket
Attaching the crankset and pedals
Fitting the chain
Installing seatpost and saddle
Affixing stem, handlebars and shifters (Once steerer is cut assuming it is required)
Putting the chain on

The more time consuming bits are the things you will likely want to get pefect, ie cable outer lengths, wrapping the bar tape etc, where as some person in a shop will likely just be bunging it on.
The halfords £40 offer is definitely for a bike in a box with the bars turned and needing the front wheel fitted - and think of the value of all of the components you have, would you want to trust it to either of those places?

If you have no bike tools at all (?) I would have thought you could get everything you need for sub £150 - so only £40 more than the Evans cost, and you have all those tools to use going forwards which will save you even more money.

*You would also need a bike stand if you want to have a chance of indexing your gears.


Nope.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby fat daddy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 08:59 am

SheffSimon wrote:Nope.


correct ..... but ..... get a bike stand they just make everything easier

If ISIS blew my garage up right now, the first thing I would replace would be the bike stand ... then I would start looking for bikes to go in it

As the others have said though .... build it yourself, it really isn't hard. I knew nothing about the mechanicals of bikes 1year ago since then I have built 2 bikes, converted others and wouldn't dream of taking a bike to a workshop now unless something was seriously fooooked ..... it really isn't hard and the more you do, the more tools you accumulate and servicing, repairing modifying all become part of the enjoyment.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby odessouky » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:24 am

I have a bike stand, and a few basic tools..

My main worry is:

Its a carbon frame
Cutting the carbon steerer
Fitting the BB30 bottom bracket in to the BB30A shell
Fitting all the carbon stuff
I do not have a torque wrench
I have a WIFE and TWO KIDS!!!!.... :shock:

I'll never be left alone for 4 hours or so to build a bike!! Even though I am pretty sure I can do it...

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby Fenix » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:50 am

Just do the bits you can do with allen keys - so that's most of it and then take it into your LBS for the fiddly bits.

I'd send the family off to the cinema to get a bit of free time. ;-)

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby perfectmark » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:55 am

I have used Evans before without issue, but as others have said, you are better off trying to do it yourself. I would recommend getting one of the bike toolkits from Aldi/Lidl (around £20-£30) if you go down this route.

Another option is if there are any decent bike charities near where you are. I have one near me run by the Salvation Army, where they will do custom bike builds for less than Evans etc charge. Many of them even offer courses where they have engineers who will work with you to help build up your bike.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby Crescent » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:23 pm

+1 for DIY. A few basic tools is genuinely all you need - I'm talking about Allen keys, adjustable spanner etc. For the £40 Halfords are asking for you could buy a hex head torque wrench set that would allow you to snug the bolts correctly. It is pretty straightforward, easier with a work stand but it is not an essential. Plenty of videos on YouTube for every part of the task if you get stuck. You will reap the rewards in years to come as you will know every single nut, bolt and spacer on your bike and can carry out your own repairs and maintenance. I can't think of any task on my bike that I would not tackle on my own now. I would suggest avoiding press-fit BBs though as these require a bit more specialist tooling.

Edit: just re-read your original post and see the BB is indeed press-fit, maybe get a LBS to fit that for you?
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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby Vslowpace » Wed Apr 19, 2017 14:39 pm

For peace of mind if I had a shiny collection of expensive bits I'd be taking it to a proper bike shop and paying them £100+ to build the thing properly. I can, if I have the inclination or desire learn how to do the general maintenance at my leisure.

Whether I would describe Evans as a proper bike shop is another matter.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby drlodge » Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:01 pm

Best option is to build it yourself and have a local club member nearby who knows all about putting a bike together and can offer free advice.
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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby JGSI » Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:17 pm

£40?????
They'll 'shag' it basically for that money.
Evans I'd trust even less but at least their price is a bit more realistic.

To be frank , a decent bike build done to a high standard is fair few hours of labour.
How much are you pricing someone's expertise?
The sort of expertise where they dont break expensive components fitting them.
Not very highly by the sound of it.
As usual such knowledge is undervalued by people.

My price would be £200.

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby MrB123 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 15:22 pm

Are Halfords and Evans your only two options? Don't you have a reputable LBS anywhere near you?

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby CiB » Wed Apr 19, 2017 16:46 pm

Another +1 for DIY. It is easy, is v satisfying once completed and makes future maintenance a doddle as there's nothing scary about how a bike fits together.

Having a wife & kids isn't much of an issue. Kids go to bed and [ime] wives seem quite happy being left to their own devices for an evening whilst man of t'house is elsewhere busying himself productively. Even more so when you tell her it's saved you the best part of thirty quid so here's some flowers and a chinese to save her cooking. ;) (she doesn't have to know everything...)

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby odessouky » Wed Apr 19, 2017 17:47 pm

MrB123 wrote:Are Halfords and Evans your only two options? Don't you have a reputable LBS anywhere near you?


I live in WImbledon area, South West London.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Halford bike build £40 vs Evans bike build £110

Postby odessouky » Wed Apr 19, 2017 17:53 pm

CiB wrote:Another +1 for DIY. It is easy, is v satisfying once completed and makes future maintenance a doddle as there's nothing scary about how a bike fits together.

Having a wife & kids isn't much of an issue. Kids go to bed and [ime] wives seem quite happy being left to their own devices for an evening whilst man of t'house is elsewhere busying himself productively. Even more so when you tell her it's saved you the best part of thirty quid so here's some flowers and a chinese to save her cooking. ;) (she doesn't have to know everything...)


Yeah...I hear you, but when will I have the time to do it? And tools?

I have a tiny shed, and cannot do it there. In the garden would be impossible.

If I dare do anything in the house, SWMBO will probably neuter me... :mrgreen:

Also..

Cutting a Carbon fork for the first time? Tools, skill etc?

No torque wrench? Installing the BB30 crankset which is 68mm in a 73mm BB30A shell, needing to remove the preload retainer from the non drive side on a Carbon SRAM Red 22 Crank...

Setting up the headset ...Need to buy a Press..

Arranging all the internal cabling on the frame etc...

Loads of tricky things that need time, time...and then maybe a little more time...

And most importantly EXPERIENCE and SKILL...

Too much of a risk on the parts and frame I bought..


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