Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

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Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby DeadCalm » Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:03 pm

Well, who knows? Certainly Froome's performances are eye-catching but there is no evidence against him and until such time as there is I don't intend to get involved in the debate.

Rather, I'm posting this thread in the naive and probably vain hope that those who wish to debate the matter on this forum might use this thread to do so rather than clogging up each and every spoiler thread with the same old arguments we have all heard countless times before.

Please, fill your boots. Thank you.

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Postby LeicesterLad » Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:10 pm

I'm not buying the extent to which every other GC guy was completely and utterly cooked in comparison to Froome today. I don't know what explains it. All very well saying Froome had a train, Sky power up the mountains etc but then why does every other rider who sits on the back of said train struggle so much?

I'm not willing to say there is doping involved here, but whatever it is Sky do - it's astonishing.

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Postby Squirrelpie » Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:10 pm

No no don't do it or this website will also crash!!

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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby desertman01 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:22 pm

After all the revelations of the last 12 months there is no way that any stage winner who is doping could possibly get away with it.

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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby ddraver » Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:23 pm

Is anyone really surprised that he put a minute into 2 Dutch riders? Come on seriously!

It would appear that bertie doesnt have it this year, first the Dolphin TT and now this. Possibly he should have let Kreuzinger off the leash but then he may just have had his day without and will be battling tomorrow.

J-Rod was never that good at those sort of climbs, Ryder has had a shocker all year, Evans and TJ being dropped was not a big surprise.

Thus far this is exactly the same as Nibali in the Giro (unfortunately)
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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby frenchfighter » Sat Jul 06, 2013 16:30 pm

Millar has had a little chat with his sister.

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Well, @TeamSky rode a perfect race, and for the record, I believe they are clean and they deserve respect and admiration for it.
Just saying, because I don't think they deserve to have mud thrown at them when they work so hard to do it right. It doesn't seem fair.
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Postby jamie1012 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:03 pm

"We we're never worried. What was he thinking? I think he reads to much in the papers about attacking."

Richie Porte on Quintana.

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Postby frenchfighter » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:08 pm

jamie1012 wrote:"We we're never worried. What was he thinking? I think he reads to much in the papers about attacking."

Richie Porte on Quintana.


Thanks, those are the words I was referring to.

Totally classless comments from the factory boy in blue.

Quintana has already shown in his career more heart and panache then Porte will ever have in a lifetime. And he is only just getting started.
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Postby TMR » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:11 pm

A very disappointing performance from AC today, I expected far more. Any reason for this? I know he crashed in the first few days, but his climbing seemed really forced today, he's usually so fluid.
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Postby Hoopdriver » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:14 pm

He needs a good bit of steak

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Postby jamie1012 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:14 pm

frenchfighter wrote:
jamie1012 wrote:"We we're never worried. What was he thinking? I think he reads to much in the papers about attacking."

Richie Porte on Quintana.


Thanks, those are the words I was referring to.

Totally classless comments from the factory boy in blue.

Quintana has already shown in his career more heart and panache then Porte will ever have in a lifetime. And he is only just getting started.

The arrogance is actually kind of disturbing. I can hear that in a Texan accent.

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Postby TMR » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:25 pm

jamie1012 wrote:The arrogance is actually kind of disturbing. I can hear that in a Texan accent.


Are you as new as your post count indicates, or are you just trolling on an alt account? :P
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Postby jamie1012 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:27 pm

The Mad Rapper wrote:
jamie1012 wrote:The arrogance is actually kind of disturbing. I can hear that in a Texan accent.


Are you as new as your post count indicates, or are you just trolling on an alt account? :P

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Postby Turfle » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:28 pm

Really enjoying vetooo massaging the numbers on twitter to make them as suspicious as possible, even though they're not nearly as suspicious as he spent the last few weeks hoping they'd be.

Froome, in the all important 1.30km to 7.85km part of the climb was faster than Armstrong.

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Postby Gazzetta67 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:34 pm

I reckon Contador will be more on song come the alps.. be surprised if froome can keep this tempo for the whole 3 weeks...then again after watching racing for 30 years nothing surprises me now. Banesto, Telekom, US Postal ????? and still having the Dinosaurs at the UCI in charge. being cynical is not a crime.

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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby TMR » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:53 pm

jamie1012 wrote:I'm new, but my heart is old and cold :cry:


LMAO! Well, welcome! Always nice to see a new face :mrgreen:
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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby TMR » Sat Jul 06, 2013 17:54 pm

Gazzetta67 wrote:...being cynical is not a crime.


You'd think. I posted something similar a few weeks ago and the SKY FanBois ganged up on me :oops:
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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby Doobz » Sat Jul 06, 2013 18:06 pm

quoted from science of sport

Three quick thoughts on ‎#Froome's performance in the ‎#TDF today:

1. It was fast, very fast. The 23:14 ascent of Ax-3-Domaines puts Froome in third on the all-time list for the climb, behind only Laiseka and Armstrong in 2001. The VAM of 1715 m/h converts to a power output of 6.3 W/kg (Ferrari method) and about 6.5 W/kg with other models (CPL, rst). Very fast.

2. Before today's performance is instantly condemned as proof of nefarious pharmacology in the sport, keep in mind what I've tried to emphasize many times over the last few years, which is the context of the climb and variability around performance. For example, this climb was done in Stage 12, 13 and 14 of the 2001, 2003 and 2005 Tours, respectively. The earlier placement in week 1 as the first climb of the Tour may affect performance. Also, variability in conditions (particularly wind and heat) make it impossible to make 'guilt by performance' proclamations. Let's wait to analyze the entire Tour, the collection of climbs, and then compare to history's known dopers. The problem when you get too close in is a kind of "performance pixelation", so step back and see the whole screen. That will happen in time.

3. Having said that, what was noteworthy today were the enormous gaps created on the final climb. That's because with the exception of Froome and perhaps Porte, the rest of the peloton performed in a manner that is typical of cycling over the last few years. Their performances were consistent with post-biological passport levels, and matched or even fell short of the prediction models. It was only Froome and Sky who exceeded them. Therefore, skepticism is normal, and failing to appreciate that will come only from extreme naivety or patriotism. History has taught us the value of some healthy cynicism, and if this level continues for three weeks, it makes for an uncomfortable Tour, of that there is no doubt.

Either it is one exceptional individual, or...well, we know the rest, we have seen this movie too often in the sport.

But, this is something only time will tell, as it always does.

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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby Paul 8v » Sat Jul 06, 2013 18:14 pm

Just thought I would throw this out here, if you WERE on the dope, would you put in a stage victory like that and smash the sh** out of all your main rivals? (OK, Armstrong might but that was then, not now and he had mates in the UCI who could make bad things go away) It's like putting a big flag on the back of your bike saying "Please test me for drugs" He will be tested for the stage win and for wearing yellow.

I doubt he'll do that sort of attack every day, if it was a rider on a non-sky team it would be described as panache...

Bit disapointed by Portes comments, some Aussies can be real dic*s when they beat other people, seems to be a common thing (Webber and Cuddles aside!)

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Re: Sky are dopers - Oh no they're not

Postby Joelsim » Sat Jul 06, 2013 18:18 pm

I don't know whether Froome was stupid today pushing so hard right until the end.

Quintana made the race today, best stage I've seen for ages.
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