Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

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Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby ben_delaney » Tue Feb 03, 2015 00:00 am

E-bikes are becoming more common, and proponents say that getting more people on bikes, more often, is a good thing. But do they belong on standard mountain bike trails? Can they coexist with mountain bikes without more regulation? What do you think?

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby Angus Young » Tue Feb 03, 2015 01:07 am

cyd190468 wrote:... and lack the power to damage the trails like dirt bikes do.


I've ridden a couple and they both had so much torque at the back that the rear wheel was scrabbling then losing traction and spinning out on quite a few of the climbs, so there's potential for them to chew up the trail way more than a regular bike. If you start getting a lot of them it's going to take its toll on the trails.
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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby VWsurfbum » Tue Feb 03, 2015 08:04 am

I'm in the mindset that they are missing the point of a bike. Not only that but i think like everything else out there it will end up getting bigger,faster,stronger. and thats when the dammage will start on the trails and because we allowed it from the start it will be very hard to stop.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby The Rookie » Tue Feb 03, 2015 08:14 am

I recall the super lightweight E-bike built by some old German bloke so he could still go mountain biking, that sort of usage I have no issue with, road legal e-bikes don't generate that much power, but some can be had putting out up to 10bhp or even more, they will tear up the trail somewhat!

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby jimothy78 » Tue Feb 03, 2015 08:34 am

The e-bike I have ridden (a Haibike) certainly didn't have enough power to "tear up the trails" - it just adds thrust to whatever input you give to the pedals, so you can't flick a switch and let it carry you. Also because of this, wheel-spinning it would be about as beneficial as it is on a normal bike, so unlike motocrossers, there wouldn't be the temptation to just apply maximum power at the expense of control.

My overall impression was that they are unlikely to catch on in a big way for proper "woodsy singletrack" riding because the weight becomes a huge, ungainly disadvantage on the descents and lifting the damn thing over a fallen tree was a Herculean task. You may see quite a few of them about on bridleways, byways and green lanes etc, but I think our rider-built singletrack's main threat will always be motorbikes.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby warpcow » Tue Feb 03, 2015 08:46 am

The off-the-shelf ones I've ridden have been quite good fun and I wouldn't have a problem with those, although, yes, I do think they're missing the point of cycling unless the rider has a real need for one. The problem is all the idiots who build 1000W monsters (there are two near me). They're too fast and unwieldy, which means they stick to the smoother, easier, faster trails that are popular with beginners, walkers, etc. The people on them tend not to be bikers and have little respect for the idea that we have to share and respect the trails for our own good, not just for other users. They'll be the last people to care when access for cyclists is reviewed (this is within the context of Swedish access rights, which are very liberal, but have no actual basis in the law).

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby VWsurfbum » Tue Feb 03, 2015 08:59 am

When i was in Cannock last month there was a guy on a full suss giant, full face the lot, zoomed up the climbs and it must be said he knew what he was doing and didnt pester anyone and i could see if you only had an hour spare, a loop of cannock on a Ebike would be a lot of fun. Should it be allowed? not so sure.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby The Rookie » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:07 am

1000W is hardly a monster when you can get ones with 5-7 times that amount!

Most of us can put out circa 400-500W anyway!

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby warpcow » Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:11 am

Maybe not, just comparing with the restricted 250W.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby Kajjal » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:03 pm

Not everyone is able to mountain bike fully due to age or injury so for them E bikes are a very good thing. I would agree the speed and power needs to be kept reasonable or the extra weight / power will tear the trails apart.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby Angus Young » Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:08 pm

I laughed out loud the first few times I pelted up a hill. Then I got bored.
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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby kinioo » Tue Feb 03, 2015 16:12 pm

Kajjal wrote:Not everyone is able to mountain bike fully due to age or injury so for them E bikes are a very good thing. I would agree the speed and power needs to be kept reasonable or the extra weight / power will tear the trails apart.


I second that.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby Pesky Jones » Tue Feb 03, 2015 17:32 pm

I reckon people that cause brake bumps are worse than people on e-bikes. I don't care whether they want to ride their e-bikes on the trails - I might get slightly jealous on the ups however

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby RockmonkeySC » Tue Feb 03, 2015 20:21 pm

They are bikes with motors therefore they are motorbikes and shouldnt be allowed on trails.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby Angus Young » Tue Feb 03, 2015 21:12 pm

Yep, clue's in the name: Pushbike
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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby RockmonkeySC » Tue Feb 03, 2015 22:33 pm

Angus Young wrote:Yep, clue's in the name: Pushbike


Push iron or push rod down here in the Westcountry.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby DirkPitt74 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:27 am

With the additional power and speed I can see a potential for a few incidents - Especially if they're put in the hands of novices.

I've been passed by a fair few going up hill on fire roads but not really encountered them on my regular off-piste routes.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby POAH » Wed Feb 04, 2015 13:48 pm

Angus Young wrote:Yep, clue's in the name: Pushbike


only time I push my bike is on hills I can't cycle up.

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Re: Should e-bikes be allowed on regular trails?

Postby Chunkers1980 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 14:26 pm

But you push the pedals most of the time


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