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  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,214

    I do hope that he does a European Heart Sending Tour. He could take in Israel while he’s there.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,852

    I'm perplexed by a South African banging on about how great it would be for the American flag to be planted on Mars.

    Actually, the perplex is more that the Americans can't see the grift.

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  • Allowing obscenely rich people to buy their way into politics has never been a good idea.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 30,094

    I stand corrected: the 'Roman' salute is apparently a later invention from a misinterpretation of Roman statues, appropriated by people wanting to add a bit of Imperial glitter to their politics.

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 30,094

    I see Arron Banks is having a reply guy day trying to prove he knows more about Romans than Mary Beard.

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 21,407

    Might just be worth watching this report from Australia. Watch what the neo Nazis do with the right hand before it's thrust upwards. Seems familiar.


  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,281

    Thinking about this. looking at it again, the expression on his face (it wasn't a positive one), the forcefulness of the action. I don't see how it can interrupted in any other way than a far right Nazi salute.

    That was my first immediate impression of it and I could only think/explain it as an AI faked clip posted.

    You have to call it as you see it and be honest with yourself.

    I don't like it and I don't like the fact decent people will be on the receiving end of this stance because they see it as a justification for it.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,852

    Jumping on the backs of others. Again.

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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,841

    There's the 'dark gothic' Nazi font MAGA cap too.


  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 21,407

    It would be fun to see him try to sue a high profile name who's calling him a Nazi... but he won't, because he knows all the evidence that would be aired. Equally, he doesn't want do disown the extreme right to whom he was signalling his sympathies by saying that he is profoundly sorry his gesture was so badly misjudged, as he knows what his following is.

    If Trump has any sense at all (I won't hold my breath, given his blanket pardon of the Proud Boy thugs), he'd find a way to distance himself.

  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,540

    trump also pardoned the loathsome scumbag behind silk road

    cop killers and drug dealers, they're trump's kinda guys

    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 21,407

    Indeed, though they won't upstage him, unlike Musk.

  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,706

    Fair enough Focus, it's not great to see him doing this. Hopefully it's just him being a silly childish edge lord.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,191

    Thought that this might raise a dry smile...


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  • This isn't an attack on Tesla owners but I wonder if many are now regretting their choice of car? Particularly as I imagine many would class themselves as left/liberal and keen to show their green credentials with an EV.

  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,947

    Apparently quite a few are, I think I read that some research in Holland put the figure around 30%

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  • Interesting.

    I remember when all Gerald Ratner did was say his company sold crap jewellery, got pilloried by the press and went bust. Musk spouts all manner of populist garbage, throws a Nazi salute and yet will no doubt remain the worlds richest person.

    Strange times indeed.

  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,947

    Just saw this on Facebook, written by a chap called Philip Low, can’t verify it, but it certainly seems plausible

    I have known Elon Musk at a deep level for 14 years, well before he was a household name. We used to text frequently. He would come to my birthday party and invite me to his parties. He would tell me everything about his women problems. As sons of highly accomplished men who married venuses, were violent and lost their fortunes, and who were bullied in high school, we had a number of things in common most people cannot relate to. We would hang out together late in Los Angeles. He would visit my San Diego lab. He invested in my company. 


    Elon is not a Nazi, per se. 


    He is something much better, or much worse, depending on how you look at it. 


    Nazis believed that an entire race was above everyone else. 


    Elon believes he is above everyone else. He used to think he worked on the most important problems. When I met him, he did not presume to be a technical person — he would be the first to say that he lacked the expertise to understand certain data. That happened later. Now, he acts as if he has all the solutions. 


    All his talk about getting to Mars to “maintain the light of consciousness” or about “free speech absolutism” is actually BS Elon knowingly feeds people to manipulate them. Everything Elon does is about acquiring and consolidating power. That is why he likes far right parties, because they are easier to control. That is also why he gave himself $56 Billion which could have gone to the people actually doing the work and innovations he is taking credit for at Tesla (the reason he does not do patents is because he would not be listed as an inventor as putting a fake inventor on a patent would kill it and moreover it would reveal the superstars behind the work). His lust for power is also why he did xAI and Neuralink, to attempt to compete with OpenAI and NeuroVigil, respectively, despite being affiliated with them. Unlike Tesla and Twitter, he was unable to conquer those companies and tried to create rivals. I fired him with cause in December 2021 when he tried to undermine NV.


    Elon did two Nazi salutes.


    He did them for five main reasons: 


    1. He was concerned that the “Nazi wing” of the MAGA movement, under the influence of Steve Bannon, would drive him away from Trump, somewhere in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, rather than in the West Wing which is where he wants to be. He was already feeling raw over the fact that Trump did not follow his recommendation for Treasury Secretary and that the Senate also did not pick his first choice;


    2. He was upset that he had had to go to Israel and Auschwitz to make up for agreeing with a Nazi sympathizer online and wanted to reclaim his “power” just like when he told advertisers to “go fuck yourself”. This has nothing to do with Asperger’s;


    3. There are some Jews he actually hates: Sam Altman is amongst them;


    4. He enjoys a good thrill and knew exactly what he was doing;


    5. His narcissistic self was hoping the audience would reflect his abject gesture back to him, thereby showing complete control and dominion over it, and increasing his leverage over Trump. That did not happen. 


    Bottom line: Elon is not a Nazi but he did give two Nazi Salutes, which is completely unacceptable.


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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,947

    Apparently that was too long for one quote,here’s more


    N.B. For the few whining about my post “sans connaissance the cause” and either trembling about my having shattered their illusions about their cult leader or thinking I am defending Elon:


    I. My point is that he is transactional rather than ideological;


    II. That being said, I am not defending him or his actions, just explaining them and confirming that he did, in fact, do two Nazi Salutes if anyone had doubts or believed the doctored footage of Taylor Swift doing the same thing to normalize what Elon did;


    III. At some point, it matters to few people if one is a Nazi or if one acts like one. My father was a Holocaust Survivor. 32 out of 35 of his family members were murdered by Nazis. My mother’s grandparents were murdered in Auschwitz;


    IV. After Elon tried to manipulate NV’s stock in 2021, I fired him with cause, and he was unable to exercise his stock options. In the aftermath of the Nazi Salutes, I told both him and his wealth manager to fuck off. Any remaining friendship between us ended with the Nazi Salutes. He is blocked on my end and I am pretty sure I am blocked on his;


    V. I did not share what he told me in confidence. I just happen to know him extremely well, the person, the aspirations and the Musk Mask;


    VI. I know who I am, have no desire to be famous and give exceedingly few media interviews. I prefer to work in obscurity and let the work speak for itself. I am certainly not envious and would definitely not want Elon’s life, including living in a bubble and having to make one outlandish claim after another and manipulate the public, elections and governments to shore up my stock and prevent the bubble from bursting. Unlike Elon, I am an actual scientist and inventor and I am not pretending to be someone I am not, like a fellow who got his BA in Econ at 26 all of a sudden pretending to be an expert in mechanical engineering, chemistry, rocket science, neuroscience and AI and keeping the people actually doing the work hidden and paying people to play online games in his name to appear smart and feed his so-called “Supergenius” Personality Cult — the “Imperator” has no clothes, and he knows it. I am just very disappointed in what happened to someone I had a lot of deep admiration for and the first person to find out about my concerns about his behavior was always him;


    VII. He is the one who betrayed a number of his friends, including Sergey, and, given his actions, many other people who believed him and believed in him. I have no sympathy for this behavior, and at some point, after having repeatedly confronted it in private, I believe the ethical thing to do is to speak out, forcefully and unapologetically, whatever the risks may be, so as to not be part of the timid flock remaining silent while evil is being done, including propping up far right governments around the world in part to deregulate his companies and become the first trillionaire and otherwise to “rule the planet” — he knows Mars won’t be terraformed in his lifetime and he really wants his planet. No joke… Ethics matter. People matter. The truth matters.


    I took down Descartes (through the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness) and I am definitely not afraid of a so-called inventor whose greatest invention is his image.


    I will not be silent. You should not be either. I am a sovereign individual, and so are you. I stood up to bullies, and am stepping out of the dark to do it again. 


    Stop working for him and being exploited by him. Sell your Tesla and dump your Tesla stock. Nikola Tesla was a great, creative and courageous man who led with ethics and by example and he would not have wanted for his good name to have been used by him and would agree with my principled stance. Sign off of “X” which is boosting far right propaganda, and of your Starlink as well. He is a complete cunt who doesn’t give a shit about you — only about power. Just ask Reid Hoffman. He only wants to control, dominate and use you — don’t let him and cut him and his businesses out of your and your loved ones’ lives entirely. Remember he is a total miserable self-loathing poser, and unless you happen to be one too, he will be much more afraid of you than you should ever be of him. 


    He will probably come after me, and I am completely fine with that. I am a self-made multibillionaire with an armada of lawyers — literally — and most importantly, I know who I am and who I stand for, the people and their freedoms, whatever happens. He can send his dumb Proud Boys and Oath Keepers after me and they will be butchered on sight. Either way, I would rather die with honor than live as a coward. 


    “Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” — Elie Wiesel, Holocaust Survivor and Nobel Peace Prize laureate


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  • Never trust anyone who craves power above all else, they are always deeply troubled and untrustworthy individuals.

  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,214

    Well here’s one….

    Ozzyman was not impressed and sold his.


  • Fair play to him. I suspect many more won't have quite the same principles as this guy.

  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,993

    Once you have bought and paid for it, I doubt Elon is going to care what you do with it.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,916

    I was thinking the same. Hopefully new sales will take a massive hit but I'm guessing a lot of sales are in countries that wouldn't care if Musk had goosestepped past the White House in a full SS uniform.

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 21,407

    Well, those woollen uniforms are well-tailored and very warm, and goosestepping is good exercise for the hips... why shouldn't he?

  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,540

    musk eagerly spreading trump's lies...

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/29/trump_musk_starliner/

    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny

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